The new FA Chairman Greg Dyke has made it a priority that he somehow gets more English players playing in the Premier League, and he has already criticized the policies of both Newcastle and Sunderland, for recruiting too many players from the continent.
Greg Dyke – new FA Chairman
But Greg got some support last week from the Premier League clubs, who agreed to work with the FA to get more players into their teams, and earlier this week Chelsea manager Joe Mourinho said he would be happy to sit down with the FA, and help English football in any way he can.
However, Dyke has already blasted the two big north-east clubs for not playing enough English players in their sides:
“Sunderland’s first game of the season against Fulham there were only four players on the pitch at the start of the game who were actually qualified to play for England.
“Mind you in the Newcastle team beaten 4-0 by Manchester City on that same opening weekend it was even worse – there was only one English player in their starting line-up.”
We agree it’s a bit of a dilemma that not many English players are playing in the top English league, but there are different ways of looking at why that’s the case.
Dyke’s view is that it’s because too many players are coming in from abroad and preventing Englishmen from getting a game.
But another view is that it means the English players must improve, because they are currently not good enough, and the new St George’s Park facility is the FA’s national football center on a 330-acre site at Burton upon Trent in Staffordshire.
The facility was opened last October, and all coaching and development will be undertaken there by the FA, for all the England national football teams at the different levels.
That’s a good approach, and once we make our young English players better than they are today, we should see more of them playing in the Premier League.
Well that’s at least one viable approach to getting more English players participating in the Premier League.
It might even work.
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148 comments so far
Sep 19, 2013 at 2:34 PMComment #121
Cabaye has been disciplined by the club says Pardew
Sep 19, 2013 at 2:34 PMComment #122
You seem to assume I am a youth? I have worked within the football industry in the UK and currently work part time coaching and giving nutritional advice at a youth football academy here. I have a fairly good grasp of the topic, which is why I commented, and these issues are global, not just in the UK, so it can’t be the reason their is such a disparity in talent produced by the different countries.
Sep 19, 2013 at 2:34 PMComment #123
This is starting to get petty, which is a shame as it has been another good day for constructive debate’s, so with that I am off for a while !
Sep 19, 2013 at 2:37 PMComment #124
I should have been much more careful with the use of the word fact on here, shouldn’t I. In my world we wouldn’t even debate this point to I was very lax with my wording, you are quite right to pull me up on it.
As for your source, the Institute for Sport is a recognised body but I wouldn’t look to it for it’s views on the state on the UK economy.
Sep 19, 2013 at 2:43 PMComment #125
Lilo 6.2 dont sound a lot.. maybe you could find that stat for say the prem, la liga, ligue 1 also… I think that will give a clearer indication as to whether or not thats a good %
Sep 19, 2013 at 2:47 PMComment #126
Would you prefer me to refer to the World Health Organisation Status report on Alcohol in 35 different countries? That backs up my point in exactly the same way.
Surely the fact we have 1 licensed coach for every 812 players, compared with Spain having 1 licensed coach for every 17 registered players may well have something to do with it. Italy 1:48, France 1:96 and Germany 1:135.
Sep 19, 2013 at 2:49 PMComment #127
France was 7.3% and the Prem was a shameful 2.3%. Not sure on La Liga. None of them are particularly goo levels, but ours is shocking.
Sep 19, 2013 at 2:51 PMComment #128
with cricket flintoff didn’t retire because he drank a lot..he just had ankle problems due to his bowling action.
Alcohol does hinder development if drank a lot but in moderation and on certain breaks won’t do that much harm. Too much is put on drinking, as long as you aren’t out 3/4 nights a week or too close to games/training you will be ok.
It’s more about training that does it, carroll isn’t fit as he doesn’t train properly, does the bare minimum…as do too many players.
Roy hodgson did an interview last year where he said it is so clear to see a player who just does the bare minimum asked and which then gets extra help and does a few more gym sessions, does free kick/corner practice, does some shooting/close control stuff etc.
Thats the key, too many players would rather mess around and spend their money than keep working to improve.
Look at ronaldo, super rich, has everything but sitll works so hard to get even better. He is the best example to any kids.
Sep 19, 2013 at 2:51 PMComment #129
Sage – team for team the prem has the beating of any other league… I didnt see osasuna spunk 40mil on new players like palace… im afraid money is power! There aint another league in the world with a top 6 so strong year after year
Sep 19, 2013 at 2:53 PMComment #130
saylor was the only one who started v citeh that was english born, right?
i also think that FA should make sure one american is on every team, help grow the sport here 🙂
Sep 19, 2013 at 2:54 PMComment #131
i’m with you, its quantity of coaching players are prepared to put in and quality of coaching that coaches give in that time that makes the ultimate difference.
Sure drinking too much doesn’t help, but it’s by no means the biggest factor.
Just to pull you up on your stats on drinking/exercise….thats for general population, it may average over sports people but not too guaranteed.
But then again look at ussain bolt, trains very very hard (not as hard as blake by his own admission) eats chicken nuggets and parties/drinks a lot and still dominates. ITs all to do with genetics, coaching and dedication when training.
Sep 19, 2013 at 2:55 PMComment #132
I think his bowling action and weight were the problem for Flintoff’s ankle. The weight part of it can certainly be attributed to his lifestyle habits.
Sep 19, 2013 at 2:55 PMComment #133
I didn’t make any assumptions about your age or your experience. I made my point which I can see you don’t agree with. That’s part of life, I always love to hear about people working in youth sport, it’s the rock on which we build.
So I am clear, there is not meant to be any criticism or sarcasm in that comment, it is mean to be genuine, I hope it comes over like that.
Sep 19, 2013 at 2:55 PMComment #134
So pleased we didn’t get Carroll now…
Sep 19, 2013 at 2:55 PMComment #135
disagree with you mate, money doesn’t mean anything as we pay inflated prices in this country.
it will never happen as they will never all play but i think spanish sides are much better from what i see of them in the league and in europe.
Sep 19, 2013 at 2:56 PMComment #136
Whether 2 mil or 5 mil – Ben Arfa’s price was possible the best business Ashley/Llambias have done – you have to say hats off for that – potentially one of the signings of recent years for our club.
Looking at Demba Ba’s goals to games ratio…getting him for free (except Agent’s fees) would have been another ‘signing of the era’ contender.
Though one they missed out on was Mo Diame for free
Sep 19, 2013 at 2:57 PMComment #137
Lilo – I was trying to find la liga’s my self, thats the one that really interests me. Spain are the bench mark for producing at the min. Although you have only given us germany, france and england you could probably presume between 6-8% is quite good…
Sep 19, 2013 at 2:57 PMComment #138
it can be, his weight won’t have helped (especially when bowling puts 10x your weight through your ankle)
but there is balance…he was never a big gym worker, did more technique (bowling and batting) than gym work which got him his brilliant control and rhythm to bowl fast.
Sep 19, 2013 at 3:00 PMComment #139
you are right thought it’s lifestyle of a lot of young english players…get anywhee from 500 quid to 10/20 thousand when a teenager and some (not all) think they have made it and no longer try as hard in training, ease off things, go out more, spend less time on their game.
Clubs have them signed up and can’t just sack them, they can often still make a career being lazy so why try? or thats how some come across
Sep 19, 2013 at 3:00 PMComment #140
It is for general population, but it is still indicative of the lack of variation between the countries I named. It is unlikely to deviate a huge amount among sports people from the general findings. It may even be better than the stats for general population show. Tough to know.
Either way, it is unlikely to be responsible for the lack of talented youths coming through in the same way that the lack of coaches is.
Sep 19, 2013 at 3:01 PMComment #141
The top teams like Chelsea and city didn’t get mentioned because they have English players, playing regular first team football, we however do not!
And the way Nufc and Sunderland are going we don’t look likely to bring any Englishmen into the squad? the top teams are producing and developing English talent we are not! I agree with Dyke to a degree!
Charlie in the Gallowgate
Sep 19, 2013 at 3:05 PMComment #142
Dyke you’re a dick
English players overrated overpriced and hyped up by the press like our National Team.
If we want players like George Best, Paul Gasgoine, Bobby Moore Bobby Charlton I could go on.
The only way to get better English players is to start at the grass roots.
I would get rid of all the leagues for kids under the age of 8 say. let the kids develop the skills by kicking a ball around the back yard field without anyone having to tell them tactics pass the ball boot it up field get behind the ball etc., etc.,
Also to many pushy parents think there kid is going to make the grade so they can get the Kudos when they don’t see the bigger picture
As I like to follow cricket I can remember when the English counties put a quota on oversees players I think it was one per county in the seventies. Our players thought they were brilliant – could bowl anyone out or score runs at will UNTIL they came up against a test team then we were useless – thought we had great players in our little goldfish bowl – BUT the game had moved on world wide
As has the World game in Football
Sep 19, 2013 at 3:12 PMComment #143
But the top teams like Chelsea and City also have a larger number of foreigners in their academies, so are less likely to develop young English players. No English players in a first team is a result, more foreigners in your youth teams is a cause. It is the causes that we need to root out.
Anyway, on that note, I’m off. Have a good day all.
Sep 19, 2013 at 3:20 PMComment #144
Sage – I watch la liga and revista on sky, presume you do too… id say iv got a fair understanding of both sets of teams… im gunna judge on paper whos the best team imo
Barca v man u H
Real v city H
Atletico v chel A
Sociedad v ars A
Valencia v spurs A
Malaga v Everton A
Betis v liverpool A
Rayo v west brom H
Sevilla v swans D
Getafe v whu D
Levante v norwich A
Bilbao v fulham H
Espanyol v stoke H
Valladolid v sotn A
Granada v villa A
Osasuna v nufc A
Celta v scum H
Elche v cardiff D
Villareal v hull H
Almeria v palace A
Thats how id see it panning out if they played each other going on how they finished last season
Sep 19, 2013 at 3:25 PMComment #145
fair play mate, its all opinions at the end of the day as we will never know. neither teams outside the top10 will likely play in europe and come up against a different style so we simply wont really know
balanced assessment though
Sep 19, 2013 at 9:48 PMComment #146
Dyke hasn’t got a clue, so he’s well suited for the Football Association. Anyways even if the North East clubs did have a contingent of talented English players, they wouldn’t get a look in. The last few England managers have had their own favoured clubs – Heskey while at Liverpool for example.
Sep 20, 2013 at 3:05 AMComment #147
So we’re being critisized for playing within the FA rules??
Sep 20, 2013 at 7:04 AMComment #148
Yeah and the one Englishman on the team got sent off for acting like a twat