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This Is What Newcastle Lacked Against Sunderland

It’s no good  Alan Pardew coming out after another Sunderland defeat and saying that Newcastle were the better side, and that all Sunderland had to offer was passion, because after all in these derbies, what has being the better side got to do with anything?

And this is the first time in 47 years that Newcastle have suffered two defeats in a row against Sunderland.

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Steven Fletcher scores after only five minutes

The result is all that matters in these games, and Newcastle were simply out fought by a side that was well prepared by Gus Poyet, just as they were well prepared by Paolo Di Canio in April.

But whether they will be good enough to survive in the Premier League is another matter, we don’t know because they will not be playing Newcastle in every game, although they probably wished they were.

It was the will to win this game that was the big factor in the game today, and Sunderland had a lot more of it than Newcastle, even after we had been humiliated 3-0 at home in April.

And Alan Pardew should hold an inquiry into how  we were almost played off the field in those first 20 minutes – surely the Newcastle players knew that Sunderland were going to come at them with everything they had – which usually hasn’t been much this season.

And a team that had scored only 5 goals in their previous eight league games, and lost seven of them were still 1-0 up after just five minutes – how embarrassing.

Maybe we do have too many foreign players than is good for us, and maybe we will bring some British based players in during the January transfer window.

Bit this Newcastle side lost credibility with their fans today, because to be out fought by Sunderland, who won the game because of it, will never go down well with Newcastle fans.

So we have Manchester City and Chelsea at home next, and what will happen in those games we have no idea, simply because we don’t know which team will turn up.

Can you ever imagine something happening like today if a player like Kevin Nolan was in the side – it’s just a thought and we seem to be short of real leaders on the field at Newcastle these days.

What we probably have to do is lower our ambitions for Newcastle, we are becoming an ordinary side, even an ordinary club.

We don’t have the ambition that smaller clubs like Swansea, Southampton, Norwich City have, and to say that’s a shame is a huge understatement.

But that’s the state Newcastle find themselves in,  after a second successive Sunderland defeat, and only the second away defeat to Sunderland in 33 years.


The good thing is we have two games in the next six days against two good sides, so they have a chance to redeem ourselves – but that’s what we were supposed to do today, wasn’t it?

61 comments so far

  • Brutooon

    Oct 28, 2013 at 12:06 AM

    Comment #1

    Come on, its O Shea playing as centre back – OLD and SLOW

    But we didnt test him that much, and cisse is doing NOTHING

  • jimmysmith

    Oct 28, 2013 at 12:21 AM

    Comment #2

    A rather unforgiving photo to accompany such a story, I have to say Ed, considering the circumstances surrounding the player being out jumped.

  • Graeme

    Oct 28, 2013 at 12:22 AM

    Comment #3

    Ed, whats happening? Its easy mate.

    Mr Ashley wants us to be self sufficient, self susstaining, so he doesnt have to put any more money into the club. He doesnt want us in European Competition because that will require expenditure on additional playing staff to compete.

    As a direct consequence, he really does NOT want us to win the FA or League Cups – damn, that gives the winner a European spot – damn, more players again!!

    Mid-table mediocrity – our stated goal. How wonderful eh??

  • mattnufc

    Oct 28, 2013 at 12:30 AM

    Comment #4

    With the ssevere lack of ambition shown in previous transfer windows, I dont think it is surprising the players didnt look up for the game. Only one who looked arsed in the last two games is Tiote who was also given captaincy in the last two games.

  • jimmysmith

    Oct 28, 2013 at 1:34 AM

    Comment #5

    Weird position we are now in. Just got beat by the Mackems with a big Cup game against the extremely formidable Man City on Wed night hot on its heals, and one where we surely can’t afford to put out the truly competitive side we’d need to, to get the result that would lift lagging spirits, considering we have Chelsea so soon after.

  • geordiejamie89

    Oct 28, 2013 at 1:45 AM

    Comment #6

    I honestly thought when I read the title for this blog, that when I clicked I would see a picture of a spine, that’s what Newcastle lack, and have for some time. It says it all when Newcastles best three players, coloccini, cabaye, and Remy. ( those three are my opinion) don’t even want to be here. If it wasn’t for the tv rights mike ashley would be happy to see Newcastle go down just to spite us. Theyl shoot themselves in the foot soon because people won’t want to spend their money to watch the dross that Alan pardew likes to call football. We buy players who are suited to the arsenal style of play, then try to play like west ham.
    I’ve stuck with pardew as much as I could up until now because he’s our manager, but he’s just not up to the job. The style of play, his selections and formations have shown us that week after week. He has to go and somehow we fans need to make it happen. If we shout loud enough or more importantly to mike ashley if we stop spending enough hel have no choice but to act.

  • geordiejamie89

    Oct 28, 2013 at 1:50 AM

    Comment #7

    You never know we might get bought out by a billionaire who likes to flaunt it. Then we can enjoy the football instead of being peed off about it the whole time.
    Here’s to hoping…..

  • lesh

    Oct 28, 2013 at 2:23 AM

    Comment #8

    Ed’s sailing close to the wind with his comments.

    Need to careful with what we all say after all we don’t want the Toon army to be even the tiniest bout critical otherwise we’ll all be sent to Guantanamo Bay to reconsider our views about.Ashley and his hit squad.

  • Newtain

    Oct 28, 2013 at 3:01 AM

    Comment #9

    Third time i’ve posted in 5+ years of reading this blog so you know it must be serious!

    I can’t believe what I watched today! Cattermole and Colback vs Tiote, Cabaye and Sissoko should have been where we won the game. Our strikers were woeful in the first half so what does pards do to win us the midfield battle…? Put on another striker for one of the strong midfielders. Sissoko wasn’t great but he was a damn sight better than Remy, Ben Arfa and Gouffran. We should have sacrificed any of the front 3 for Anita and swamped the midfield so there was a pass on every once in a while.

    The tactics were all wrong. We don’t have a terrible team…but we do have a terrible manager who seems to have no ability at all. He can’t get the defence right. We don’t score goals unless they’re individual pieces of brilliance. We can’t settle on a formation. He doesn’t have the balls to drop a big name, players play well (Anita, Sammy) and they get dropped while on form…where’s the logic?

    We are going to get DESTROYED by City when we inevitably play reserves and we’re going to get mauled by a high flying chelsea team full of the sort of attacking talent which will embarrass us like the first game of the season.

    I don’t live in newcastle, but i love this club and can’t bear this constant heartache. can something please be done? After the gagging order on the local papers it seems free speech is even banned by our dictators, this can’t be right. Please please please can we move to do something?

  • sks_toon

    Oct 28, 2013 at 4:46 AM

    Comment #10

    Horrible outing by our guys and horrible subs by Pardew he should have never put Cisse or Shola on, Remy is our difference maker he should have been there the whole game. Pardew should have been fired a long time ago, he really should be fired now. If we lose the next 2 games by a lot and he isnt fired then Ashley is clearly only keeping him so he doesnt have to pay out the rest of Pardews money from the 8 year contract. He is the worst owner in the PL by a mile unfortunately.

  • theartfuldodger

    Oct 28, 2013 at 5:18 AM

    Comment #11

    Welcome to mediocrity !! This is what it feels like.

    Some important points..

    1. Ashley has been credited with good transfers. But it looks like he got them done by lying. Does anyone believe he can keep it up ? I dont think so. Everyone knows he is lying. With low ambition transfers will be very very difficult ?

    2. Its a derby to the fans, not to Ashley. Its just another game for ashley,pardew and players.

    3. The club belongs to the fans. Really ? No passion on derby day. Tiote and debuchy were as passionate as always. Ashley can do anything he wants. eg ban press. He can throw you out as well.

    4. Pardew is experimenting, nothing else. Win a game , loose the next and make changes. Then win and loose and change.

    5. Ashley got keegan by lying. And players as well.
    Keegan quit. Players will leave when their contract runs out
    Then we will be down to players as mediocre as mngr pardew.
    Remy ( if not guilty ) will be the siren to mark the beginning of Ashleys inability to get anyone.

    6. Stepping Stone ? Its a jail. 5 yr jail. Ask cabaye.

    Keep the past aside for a moment. Its the future thats worrying.

  • Santon03

    Oct 28, 2013 at 5:59 AM

    Comment #12

    I was expecting HBA to be replaced second half, but he wasn’t.
    HBA is a good player on his day, sadly yesterday wasn’t and he tried to beat everyone. Everytime he has the ball, he lose it immediately. It was like 12 vs 10, his contribution was giving it back to sunderland.
    Papis was hopeless, I would rather play Anita or Obertan and Shola rather than Cisse and HBA.

    Banning the media to interview pardew, I hope it’s a sign that pardew will be sacked.

  • John Tudor

    Oct 28, 2013 at 6:17 AM

    Comment #13

    beaten by a relegation candidate says a lot
    pardrip out

  • John Tudor

    Oct 28, 2013 at 6:23 AM

    Comment #14

    ooh and greedy ba##erd out

  • John Tudor

    Oct 28, 2013 at 6:35 AM

    Comment #15

    good to see a lot more eyes opened

  • jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew

    Oct 28, 2013 at 6:52 AM

    Comment #16

    It is really getting dreadful coming in here!

    People are pinning this on the same people ( Benny, Cisse and Pardew)!

    …do we honestly think this is the case and that things would change if they weren’t here?

    I have had the discission about Benny the last few weeks and I am still saying that Benny is crap because the team is crap. He plays better when the team up their game.

    This is not really happening at the moment for what ever reason.

  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Oct 28, 2013 at 6:53 AM

    Comment #17

    Well, where to begin, sober enough to comment now, which I certainly wasn’t last night.

    First goal, Dummett should have done better. But it also should never have got to the back post. Poor closing down, and Krul started to come for the cross then when a Sunderland player made a move to the cross he backed off. Poor decision from him. Poor all round on that.

    Second goal, cracking hit. You have to just hold your hands up to strikes like that.

    Dummett was very poor today, no real surprise. He was always going to rise to it and have a blinder or freeze, he froze. I hope this is the end of all the smoke being blown up his ass and he can be left to develop without this ‘hero’ tag Pardew gave him, and fans continued with.

    Sissoko, shouldn’t have started for me, he has been our worst centre mid so far this season, can’t really remember him having a game where he has been good yet. What Pardew has against Anita I have no idea.

    HBA, I was happy to try him up top, not good enough though again. Balon d’Or?? The guy is more 99 red balloons. But Cisse is completely ineffectual at the moment as well. I’m almost at the stage where I think we should start Shola.

    Pardew, far too negative, we don’t play the game high enough up the pitch. We set up today with the same mentality as Liverpool, not to lose. We were playing one of the worst Sunderland teams I have seen in the Prem. They are utter garbage, not a single player in their first 11 would start at NUFC yet we lose?? I lost faith in him completely towards the end of last season,and he has not shown the consistency or improvement we needed this year. Time to clear his desk.

    City is now going to be largely irrelevant, we were told last year we can’t cope with midweek games and weekend games, so we will have a weakened team out. So will they, but their weakened team is better than our first team. Chelsea and Spurs to follow, not holding out much hope in either of those. Norwich and West Brom, both at home follow, and they are now vitally important.

    Pardew and Ashley need to have a look at themselves, but so do the players. Every single one of them let the club and fans down yesterday. A response to the 0-3? They deserved the win, that is the biggest worry for me.

  • theartfuldodger

    Oct 28, 2013 at 7:24 AM

    Comment #18

    Ashley makes everyone look like a fool.
    They keep trying stuff with the resources he offers.

  • Charlie in the Gallowgate

    Oct 28, 2013 at 7:25 AM

    Comment #19

    Far as I am concerned a opposition player should never be able to head the ball goalwards from a deep cross. keeper after keeper at the TOON have never been able to command the six yard box.
    Keepers have got hands and arms so they should be able to come collect or punch clear not stand crouched on the bloody line.

    Looking at the image there is a huge space where Krul should of came and collected. Take Scheimcal and Grobbelar they would of made sure they got to the ball

  • Santon03

    Oct 28, 2013 at 7:28 AM

    Comment #20


    whenever benny got the ball, he hardly looked to other teamates to pass, he only tried to be spectacular. Team worked hard to win the ball and gave it to Benny, then it’s gone he gave it away so cheaply. Teamwork is not in his dictionary.
    when you looked at sunderland yesterday, nobody is trying to be spectacular and everyone worked hard to win the ball. Some of our players worked together but some are not especially benny. the atmosphere already against you and they were playing like 10 vs 12 or 9 vs 13. I can’t blame the rest of the team, it’s not an easy game in the first place then added by Cisse and Benny playing like that.
    As for Dummet, he did okay imo, even if it’s Colo or Saylor, Fletcher would probably still score. It was 2 good goals from Sunderland.

  • catchy in norway

    Oct 28, 2013 at 7:29 AM

    Comment #21

    very rarely do I go against a manager in the way I have with pardew,

    but I seen this very early on, and have not changed my mind one bit on him
    for me it all started with the obertan situation , before that, from dec to the start of the new season I never said anything really negative about him other than I would not have chose him to replace CH, but the start of that new season I was happy with who we had bought except for obertan , utter waste,
    we were unbeaten for about 8 games , and yes I was happy but , the words coming out of Pardews mouth did not match what I was seeing on the pitch, I went from asking why obertan was on the pitch to Pardews negative tactics, trying to contain the other team regardless of who they are, get a goal and defend for your life, I don’t like that ,it got worse, we started with cabaye on fire , playing just behind Ba but he slowly started dropping deeper and deeper to where he has no impact on the game, resulting in a total long ball game

    pardew bottled it that season , we finished 5th fantastic , but it could and should have been 3rd in my eyes,
    in a lot of after match comments given by pardew , most of the time he was not reflecting on the game I just watched , it seems like he knows how to talk a good game but does not know how to translate it to the players ,
    he has to many excuses, there is always a reason as to why it’s not his fault , yesterday he felt there was a foul , if there was one it was a minor one, we still had time to do something about it, he also thought we had the better chances, shooting 16 times does not mean you had the better chances, ESP if 15 of the are from outside the box,

    this season the theme is keep the ball in MF and shoot from distance, and in my opinion we have 2 players capable of doing so, cabaye and HBA ,

    one thing that is totally bugging me right now is a lot of you coming on here and slating the players for lack of form going backwards from when they joined us, to me it’s as clear as the nose on your face , it’s Pardews methods , his lack of ambition , he is one of life’s lucky losers , he is bringing good players down ,

    Ashley needs a special mention , the guy is mental, this is just a board game for him, something he can occupy his tiny mind, pardew called him a genius , I call him just ruthless , no feelings for anyone

    the spotlite would disappear from him if the team was doing well,

    T4C is good , let’s start by getting pardew out

  • Santon03

    Oct 28, 2013 at 7:38 AM

    Comment #22

    Even Messi or Suarez play one two or give & go or making runs, all I see Benny stucked in one place most of the time, all he want is beating 4 or 5 players then shoot.

  • geordieboy83

    Oct 28, 2013 at 7:41 AM

    Comment #23

    The extremes on this blog is epic. We win on Wednesday and it’s a happy place with a great squad, manager got it right etc. then we lose to Chelsea, we are shite, Pardew out etc.

    Hate to break this to you we are at present a mid table team therefore our results will be up and down. Stop going over the top a bit please. If Sunderland beat Liverpool would they be saying the shite we come out with?

    Sissoko now the scapegoat as debuchy has improved, it will be remy next, then krul. Jesus man it’s so easy to bitch and moan.

    Change the record please buddy, I think TADS says it best the other day. There is a noticeable change in how we are trying to play, but you spout the same bullshit constantly. We lost deal with it, we are trying to change hence why I’m a tad more forgiven.

    No it’s not acceptable by the way I’m not saying I don’t want better, but bloody hell.

  • Santon03

    Oct 28, 2013 at 7:42 AM

    Comment #24

    the 2nd goal was good team work altidore and bornini, if it was HBA he would not pass and tried to beat everyone.

  • geordieboy83

    Oct 28, 2013 at 7:43 AM

    Comment #25

    Also this foreigners crap

    Is it me or the season we got relegated did we not have, raylor, saylor, Barton, Nolan, duff, Harper, Owen, ameobi in our starting 11 when we got relegated?

  • sparky55

    Oct 28, 2013 at 7:51 AM

    Comment #26

    they out-thought us, out-played us, had more passion and their manager had a game plan unlike ours.

    and what did we go with?…that typical Pardew psyche…”let’s not lose lads…it’ll make me look bad”

    Only Krul and Debuchy to go and everyone will have been played out of their natural position this year as our wonderful quirky manager tinkers with our team and tactics to such an extent I’m surprised we haven’t started shooting at our net yet.

    Only 6 months to go before his debt is cleared apparently so maybe we’ll get a decent manager then…in the meanwhile we’re stuck with a cockney moron and people who still think martinez and Poyet are not good enough for this football club.

    surrounded by fcukin’ idiots

  • Santon03

    Oct 28, 2013 at 7:53 AM

    Comment #27

    next game I hope the team will be like this:

  • Hatem's better than Messi

    Oct 28, 2013 at 7:55 AM

    Comment #28

    This is what aiming for mid-table mediocrity and no cup runs feels like. Get used to it.

    Until Ashley is forced to sell up we are going nowhere.

  • Himanshu Dhingra

    Oct 28, 2013 at 7:58 AM

    Comment #29

    Where is Marveaux?

    will be better than Cabaye, who has only 1 thing in his mind i.e. shoot from distance.

  • Himanshu Dhingra

    Oct 28, 2013 at 7:59 AM

    Comment #30


    If we draw a game that we should win but don’t pardew will always say that we deserved.

    Cliched manager.

  • Santon03

    Oct 28, 2013 at 8:02 AM

    Comment #31

    I still love the idea having Italian manager given restricted budget and same team. I watched Fiorentina vs Juve 2 weeks ago, Most of Fio players were cheap and old, they were losing 2-0 at 1st half and ended up winning 4-2 and Guiseppe Rossi getting hat trick. Montella got most of his players cheap and free, only Gomez costs 20 mil and he is still injured and hasn’t played since moving to Fio.

  • sparky55

    Oct 28, 2013 at 8:05 AM

    Comment #32

    Pardew’s the only man on the planet that thinks we deserved to win yesterday. The oxford dictionary should change their explanation of the word “delusional” to simply say “see Alan Pardew”

  • jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew

    Oct 28, 2013 at 8:05 AM

    Comment #33

    Santon…it is because of these black and white remarks I don’t come on here that often anymore!

    …people are making this so simplistic – you are making refrences to teams like Barca and Liverpool and players such as Messi and Suarez; they both play in teams qho know what they are doing and with equally good players.

    About the gaøe last night and about given the ball away. Both Sissoko and Cabs was just as bad as Benny if not worse, but we expect so much from Benny that it is all we are noticing.

    It is turning out to be a fixation and it is hurting us all. Take Benny off the team and see if it is getting anu better.

    I have listen to Benny’s shortcomings the past few days – what is the rest of the team’s excuse?

  • Santon03

    Oct 28, 2013 at 8:16 AM

    Comment #34


    Well… most people comparing HBA with Messi or Suarez, I can’t really compare him with Ambrossini or Gattuso.
    As teams, I compare us with teams like Lazio or Fio who have low budget to work with.

    I also don’t understand why is it everything Benny did is alright, but other players did one or two mistakes then everyone criticising them. What HBA trying to do probably only 1or 2 times worked from 10 times, but people still okay with it. Yes it is spectacular when it worked and people quickly forgotten that it worked once or twice out of 10 or 20 times.

  • theartfuldodger

    Oct 28, 2013 at 8:17 AM

    Comment #35

    We know we are a striker short. We know saylor and collocini are injury prone.
    But we want to be mid table and mediocre, so why bother getting new guys.

    Just because you call a game derby, means players get fired up ? Why ? It means nothing to a lot of players.

    Is anyone counting number of goals from inside the box in open play. 2 or 3 isnt it ?

    There is a difference in ending up mediocre and targetting/settling for mediocrity !!!!!!!!!

  • toonarmydownsouth

    Oct 28, 2013 at 8:19 AM

    Comment #36

    Your still ignoring the fact the the previous 2-3 games the WHOLE squad upped there game barring benny, your theory has no basis to it at all
    Benny was our best player at the start of the season when the rest of the squad look way off, the last few weeks the team (until yesterday’s implosion) looked better whilst Benny’s form has been spiraling

    Don’t think it’s the blog that’s unhealthily fixated on benny lad……

  • Santon03

    Oct 28, 2013 at 8:19 AM

    Comment #37

    It’s not that I want HBA out, I just want him to play with his teamates. Teamwork is better than idividual because this is a team game.

  • Jonny

    Oct 28, 2013 at 8:19 AM

    Comment #38

    Dummet is not a cb! Would rather see streete or good giving a chance. Also, I think the reason why we went to 4-4-2 was to try and stop their full backs crossing the ball which was our obvious weakness.

  • lesh

    Oct 28, 2013 at 8:20 AM

    Comment #39

    jimmysmith @5
    Yesterdays game’s importance is becoming apparent on that our next game is Citeh and thankfully in the cup. Given the way and the confidence that Citeh are playing with, a hammering by a big margin could well be on the cards. So what, it’s only a cup game that doesn’t affect our Prem status. Or is it?

    A hammering will hit players’s confidence and impact on our next game. A walk in the park against Chelski no less!

    That’s where yesterday’s defeat becomes important and another hammering will affect our goal difference and defenders’ confidence and team morale – which seems to be flat at the moment.

    Soon, the slippery slope becomes evident and as players are demoralised and trying to bring in players with ambition becomes almost impossible. Those talented players we have at tye moment will doubtless become demoralised and want out.

    Suddenly, the mid-table mediocrity that Ashley seems to want becomes attractive – as we become embroiled in yet anther relegation fight!

    Mr Ashley and his key advisor who asked to be judged on his signings see what ordinary fans have seen before that their charge, Newcastle United is like a baby – it needs to he fed otherwise it’ll die. As it’s ailing, the club, the brand becomes toxic, much like it’s major sponsor, Wonga which is becoming more and more despised as each day passes.

  • toonarmydownsouth

    Oct 28, 2013 at 8:21 AM

    Comment #40

    Lilo @ 17
    Spot on mate really


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