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Newcastle Better Off Than Seven Years Ago

We’ve been following how we compare with Chris Hughton’s season seven years ago and we have been tracking very close to the miracle Chris achieved back in the 2009-2010 season.

It’s interesting that in the 29th game in early 2010 we suffered our biggest defeat of the season and it was at Derby County when we lost 3-0.

Yesterday in our 29th game we won 1-0 against the same club, so we are now 3 points better off than we were under Chris.

Chris Hughton – the gentleman of football while at Newcastle

It’s got to be upward and onward from now on.

Chris won 13 of the last 17 games and drew the other four, so if we can do the same thing under Rafa Benitez this season, we’ll be home and dry and back in the Premier League.

Howay The Lads!!


75 comments so far

  • Jib

    Feb 5, 2017 at 8:51 AM

    Comment #1

    It could be a plan
    Park the bus first half
    Frustrate the hell out of them
    Then go for it

  • Pottsclock

    Feb 5, 2017 at 9:04 AM

    Comment #2

    Does anyone else think that Derby yesterday looked a bit like us under McClaren? Plenty passing around in their own half but nothing happening near the opposition penalty area and no width. I think teams that don’t close Derby down could take a bad beating…but if you close them down then they have no idea how to go forward.
    Second comings rarely work…this one won’t either

  • posada

    Feb 5, 2017 at 9:04 AM

    Comment #3

    Earlier post said Ashley not happy with Rafa going public on his disappointment re transfer window.
    What else could he do. He has to do press conferences when he will be asked questions on it.
    That’s difference between Rafa and Pardew.
    AP would have trotted out the party line.
    Why the difference.
    Well Rafa knows he would get another big job if he left for one. He has a long contract and in some respects has the owner B the B’s.
    He’s the first manager able to stand up to the owner since KK. Is that why supporters love him so much.
    Unlike KK I think he is more shrewd in the way he goes about things.

  • posada

    Feb 5, 2017 at 9:07 AM

    Comment #4

    That lot down the road did well yesterday.
    But, every cloud has a silver lining.
    Poor old HH.
    Andros Who ?

  • Jib

    Feb 5, 2017 at 9:08 AM

    Comment #5

    Tim Krul played for Az Alkmaar 2 vs PSV 4
    Siem de Jong didn’t get on

  • one fine day

    Feb 5, 2017 at 9:15 AM

    Comment #6

    Will be a very different game this time at Wolves .
    They are the home side so the onus should be on them to come at and not park the bus.
    Shelvey lying deep spraying it around should be just what we need I’d have colback in next too him to do the grubby stuff and protect him ( mainly from himself at times ) .
    Time for Rafa to maybe play a few mind games in his pre match to ensure the ref keeps an eye on the constant sledging .
    Just for once I hope we play this shower off the park them it’s on to villa and more Karma to be put right .

  • Charlie in the Gallowgate

    Feb 5, 2017 at 9:22 AM

    Comment #7

    previous posting

    We both got it right Friday – me playing Hanley and Mitro and you on his steven taylor chest beating.

    This is what I posted last night

    Just got in

    Much much better for 65 – 70 minutes – quicker tempo moved the ball should of been further ahead before we started to get nervous and pain.

    Lucky to collect the three points in the end – great header off the line by Yedlin and they missed to open goals. But all in all much better and the crowd were u for it today.

    Diame and Hanley made a big difference today

    Diame first half was excellent linking up the play in a more forward role – lost his impetus when dropped back like a third centre half leaving space for Derby to exploit.

    Mitrovich – waste of space and Hayden was not much better – looks like he is carrying a injury.

    Dummett my man of the match great tackle commanded the air and was good coming forward.

    Others that stood out Yedlin and Hanley

    Merit marks
    Darlow 7 did what he had to do until nerves crept i dropped a cross ad his kicking was poor.

    Yedlin 8 one of his best games in a TOON shirt but needs to get his crosses in

    Clark 7 Steady game bur again his distribution at the end was poor

    Hanley 8 Best game in a TOON shirt marshalled the back four and played a lot closer to Clark so no big hole through the middle for Derby to drive.

    Dummett 9 superb game for the TOON defended like a Trojan and got forward to link up – put a couple of good crosses in

    Ritchie 7 got lucky with deflection for goal but had a better game – still has to stop given needless free kicks away

    Shelvey 7 Quite today but still got involved and distribution was OK – linked up with Diame

    Diame 8 Excellent first half ran the show drove forward well and disrupted play – linked up with Shelvey – but drifted out of the game and went to deep when Derby were on the front foot

    Goufran 6 put in a lot of work tackled and did the dirty stuff but not as effective as he was earlier in the season

    Hayden 4 poor today looked a yard ad half off the pace – got caught in possession to many times – looked like he was carrying injury and no surprise he came off at half time.

    Mitrovich 4 Poor seems he does not want to head the ball looking for the defender to knock out the way and chest the ball down – had new boots on – looked like they were full off lead. Add – to be fair laid on goal.

    Sammi 2 not on long enough – don’t know if he touched the ball

    Lacsclles – not on long enough

    Perez 5 same again plenty of running but gets knocked off the ball to easy – yet nearly scored at the end – goalie was lucky should of had a free kick at least.

    RAFA 7 choice of team yes I agreed with his changes in starting eleven
    maybe got to rest Hayden. Me would of brought Murphy on for Mitro after a hour.

    Crowd 8 -10 sang most of the game but became anxious last twenty minutes when the TOON started to get nervous

    All – All – good result – yet should not of been hanging on at the end

    Ref 2 – piss poor like most in this league

    ps – someone reckons we were lucky not to give a pen away at the end for Lascalles grabbing their goalkeeper as he went up for their corner at the end = If so F**n’ idiot.
    And if so the team have got to get out of giving needless free-kicks away at the end of the first half and at the end of the games

  • Legolas

    Feb 5, 2017 at 9:27 AM

    Comment #8


    From previous thread.

    I hopeby doing the talking with his feet you mean on the deck and not kicking out at other players. Lol.

  • Jib

    Feb 5, 2017 at 9:29 AM

    Comment #9

    Carson reached out behind him grabbed Lascelles and dived to the ground screaming for a pen.

    Charlie try not to be so ready to blame your own guys – you are doing a passable impression of Blackley and Brownley.

  • magpie6699

    Feb 5, 2017 at 9:35 AM

    Comment #10

    Slightly off the thread – but when discussing squad strength, injuries, players returning etc in previous threads I was a bit disappointed to see no mention of wor Vurnon. I think he is a terrific squad player with a great attitude and a much better defender than Yedlin ( but clearly doesn’t carry the same attacking threat). He rarely lets the team down and he would always make my sub’s bench at least. I don’t know how long it is before “Mr Dependable” gets over his injury but I for one will be glad to see that.

  • AncientC

    Feb 5, 2017 at 9:42 AM

    Comment #11

    Lascelles had both of his arms around Carson. Since when was that allowed in the game.

  • colwell

    Feb 5, 2017 at 9:44 AM

    Comment #12


    Anita I can’t see being here next season he’s never a prem quality player as with most of the squad and his contract is due to expire I think too.

    I too thought Anita was doing a great job for us until Yedlin has come in, now I would have Yedlin over him every day of the week. He is great in the air for a short guy, no player can run away from him like they do with Vurn and as you say has that attacking threat that Vurn doesnt have. Maybe in the CM spot i’d play Anita but Yedlin is far to good at RB to be dropped for Anita.

  • lesh

    Feb 5, 2017 at 9:44 AM

    Comment #13


    It’s a sad state of affairs if Rafa had to resort to the media to voice his frustrations about the lack of transfer activity this winter.

    WhilstTo some extent, I can understand Ashley’s reported (by a club insider – Charnley, Bell?) reluctance to risk spending but some owners would spend to enable promotion whereas Ashley was seemingly concerned about the financial ramifications of failure.

    What concerns me is that Rafa didn’t see to be aware of Ashley’s position and was fully expecting signings. If that was the case, we must ask why he didn’t understand? Maybe Charnley hadn’t told Rafa? If he had, maybe it wasn’t explained sufficiently well to ensure understanding? Maybe he (LC) hadn’t been told of Ashley’s view until the loan wheels were in motion?

    If what’s reported is correct, then it’s clear that there is a communication block somewhere between Ashley and Charnley, Ashley and Rafa, Charnley and Rafa??? Maybe Charnley’s underperformed as CEO?

    Whatever, I suspect that Rafa’s been appraised of the situation and understands the message – after the damage was done – and they’re all on the same pafe now. We all hope so, I’m sure.

    Onwards and upwards to take advantage of Brighton’ annual second half of the season collapse.

  • one fine day

    Feb 5, 2017 at 9:47 AM

    Comment #14

    Jib @9
    If that’s correct and was picked up then why can’t these things be dealt with post game .
    Blatant cheating .
    A cricketer chewing a sticky lolls while shining the ball gets a ban .
    It is so time for using the available technology more now and in game too.
    Other than football it’s used in every game in Aus so the ref can instantly review live.
    More often than not they get the call right .
    We would have finished the game at forest with 11 players for starters .

  • lesh

    Feb 5, 2017 at 9:50 AM

    Comment #15


    Having watched the Channel 5 highlights and the commentator’s view that Carson ‘was wrestled to the ground’ I rewatched the incident a few times and got tge impression that Carson wrestled Lascelles to the floor. He knew what he was doing and did ir very cleverly – but didn’t get away with it!

  • Jib

    Feb 5, 2017 at 9:50 AM

    Comment #16

    There’s a small part of it on 2 minutes
    Six of one and half a dozen of the other.

  • AncientC

    Feb 5, 2017 at 9:54 AM

    Comment #17


    Better replays of the incident involving Lascelles.

  • Jib

    Feb 5, 2017 at 10:05 AM

    Comment #18

    The daft thing is , if Carson had made an effort to get his head on the corner instead of conning the ref (and AverageC too apparently) we were all over the place

  • Jib

    Feb 5, 2017 at 10:07 AM

    Comment #19

    AncientC even

  • posada

    Feb 5, 2017 at 10:08 AM

    Comment #20

    All valid points. Thing is though with tranfers you need to have three parties happy. Two clubs and player. Then agents.
    If you wait until the last day or last week for that matter all sorts of things can go wrong. You put yourself in a position where perhaps you have to overpay etc. Were Palace stringing us along. Who knows.
    We certainly could have done with a centre midfield player to go with shelvey last night. Also, left wing.

  • AncientC

    Feb 5, 2017 at 10:13 AM

    Comment #21

    Jib, Carson made a meal of it, no doubt about that, but Lascelles had his arms around him first. So long as he got away with it – great. In my view Lascelles is lucky to get away with that.

  • TudorCrisps

    Feb 5, 2017 at 10:13 AM

    Comment #22

    Hope we don’t go back in for Townsend in the summer when palace are relegated, guarantee he will want to jump ship. Maybie we could string palace along until the last day then say nar thanks.

  • Jib

    Feb 5, 2017 at 10:19 AM

    Comment #23

    With Crystal Palace having two of our less appealing ex managers doing their best to get them relegated – I think Steve Parish should go for the full set – the hat trick – JOE KINNEAR !

  • posada

    Feb 5, 2017 at 10:25 AM

    Comment #24

    Looked at that footage several times.
    Perez chance. He is taken out by Carson and it has to be a foul. Should he have been sent off. Well, he could well have been. Perez is not able to take the opportunity as perhaps he would have as he knows he is going to be clattered. A player of his stature would have to be as brave as a lion or insane not to be effected by a large goalie launching himself at him.
    Lascelles on Carson. Carson is the guilty party. He pulls Lascelles towards him and to the ground.
    But, with these Refs anything could have been given.

  • AncientC

    Feb 5, 2017 at 10:26 AM

    Comment #25

    We know now that the £2/3 million fees being quoted in the media for a loan of Townsend were made up nonsense. Allardyce made it clear that Townsend was never available for loan.

    It does not look like Charnley made any bids to buy Townsend judging by Allardyce’s words. Benitez wanted him, and he may have possibly been available for cheaper than £13 million.

    All of this talk of Townsend being too expensive is complete conjecture. The club didn’t try to buy him, and we don’t know what his wage demands were because the club didn’t get permission to speak to him.

  • Lindisfarne

    Feb 5, 2017 at 10:30 AM

    Comment #26

    Carson was definitely the offender, there is a difference between putting your arms around someone and actually physically grappling. The goalkeeper puts his hand in the middle of Lascelles back and pulls him over on top of himself. There is no flexing in Lascelles legs to indicate that he pushes Carson over.

  • TudorCrisps

    Feb 5, 2017 at 10:30 AM

    Comment #27

    He didn’t want to come any way otherwise he would of handed a transfer request in, but he will want to come in the summer when palace are relegated

  • posada

    Feb 5, 2017 at 10:30 AM

    Comment #28

    One more thing Carson and Lascelles.
    A big help for Refs.
    Carson is not looking directly at the ball. He’s only interested in the grapple.

  • Lindisfarne

    Feb 5, 2017 at 10:31 AM

    Comment #29

    Carson even has another go at the proceeding corner.

  • Lindisfarne

    Feb 5, 2017 at 10:34 AM

    Comment #30

    I was glad to see Hanley get a game and on the whole he had a, simple, but good match. However, he did get left behind when Ince found his way onto that cross and a better striker would have scored. Also Yedlin was easily slipped and Hanley was in no mans land with no idea. But these are par for the course mistakes that are 50/50 scoring opportunities.

  • Jib

    Feb 5, 2017 at 10:41 AM

    Comment #31

    With only having 2 cameras at the match (we are spoilt by sky) it’s hard to be sure – but I think Ince was offside – that’s why Hanley stood his ground.
    Carson I thought was entitled to go for the ball when bearing down on Perez , who tried to make a meal out of the contact.

  • AncientC

    Feb 5, 2017 at 10:44 AM

    Comment #32

    “there is a difference between putting your arms around someone and actually physically grappling”

    So you are allowed to put your arms around a player in football – so long as you don’t grapple too hard?

    If the exact same incident happened, only it was Darlow with his arms around Ince, it would have been given as a penalty without a 2nd thought.

  • martoon

    Feb 5, 2017 at 10:44 AM

    Comment #33

    Pottsclock @2 I said exactly that yesterday at the match. They passed the ball around great but with no cutting edge — reminded me of us last year!

  • lochinvar

    Feb 5, 2017 at 10:51 AM

    Comment #34

    On a second look Mitros miss was bad as his eye/ball coordination looked poor and at that range he should have buried the shot. He’s trying too hard to please, to be the hero and just needs to relax and be more instinctive. He reminds me of a golfer who puts a ball into water and next shot does the same. It’s to do with muscle memory and needs to be unlearnt be fire the next shot correctly. Mind over matter. The right sports coach can help him – once he’s mentally in the zone he’ll be the better for it and the goals will come.

  • Lindisfarne

    Feb 5, 2017 at 10:55 AM

    Comment #35

    How much could we expect to generate from some of those on loan at present? (end of contract)

    Florian Thauvin £7m (2020)
    Siem de Jong £3m (2020)
    Kevin Mbabu £3m (2018)
    Henri Saivet £2m (2021)
    Tim Krul £2m (2018)
    Emmanuel Riviere end of contract
    Haris Vuckic end of contract
    Sammy Ameobi end of contract

    Adam Armstrong (2020)
    Jamie Sterry (2020)

  • hibbit

    Feb 5, 2017 at 11:00 AM

    Comment #36

    dont get all this love for Mitro he is supposed to be an internatinal center forward
    Arma would have nailed that !!!!

  • Lindisfarne

    Feb 5, 2017 at 11:00 AM

    Comment #37

    AncientC @32

    I was really talking specifically about the indivdual incident between Carson and Lascelles, my point being about the amount of contact. IMO the goalkeeper deliberately acted in a manner to deceive the ref and gain a penalty kick.

  • Ron Knee

    Feb 5, 2017 at 11:02 AM

    Comment #38

    FootballOrgin has the replay of yesterday’s match.

  • Lindisfarne

    Feb 5, 2017 at 11:05 AM

    Comment #39

    Jib @31

    That could well be, I am not going to go back as it is part and parcel of the match. I will be glad to see Hanley again in the next match, perhaps swapping with Clarke providing rest and have the three rotating.

  • posada

    Feb 5, 2017 at 11:06 AM

    Comment #40

    Mitro set up Ritchie to score. He also played in Hayden for a great chance.
    So lets give him credit for that.
    On another day his chance goes in.
    It’s not about looking at the goal, the best strikers know where the goal is without looking.
    Mitro always looks round to see where the defender is when he tries to win headers.
    I never saw Alan Shearer do that. Always eyes on the ball. Body position, sticking his bum out to give himself just a bit of an advantage. Some refs though would not let him get away with it. That knacker Graeme Poll for one.


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