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Newcastle Make “Concrete Offer” For One Of The Best Teenagers In Germany

German newspaper Hamburger Morgenpost is reporting that Josha Vagnoman has received what is called ‘a concrete offer’ to join Newcastle United this summer.

The 17-year-old has been tracked recently by a number of top clubs in the Premier League including Manchester City, Arsenal, Newcastle, and Chelsea.

The teenager moved to Hamburg from HSV back in 2010 when he was 9 years old, and he sees his future at Hamburg despite some offers starting to come in from some top English clubs – like Newcastle.


Josha Vagnoman has received a concrete offer to join Newcastle this summer.

Here’s is a piece taken directly from the Hamburger Morgenpost report:

“Newcastle United made a concrete offer, the English club have offered to pay him €5.3M euros for three years.”

“But Vagnoman trusts coach Titz and prefers to play in the second division instead of the Premier League.”

“He trusts to develop under Christian Titz and to take the next development step.”

So it doesn’t look like the teenager is keen to leave Hamburg.

Vagnoman is one of the best young players in Germany, and he’s the type of player Rafa, and the scouts at Newcastle are looking for.

He will not be cheap, but when Newcastle sign them as young players, they are a lot less expensive than they will be in three or four years time – assuming they develop as expected.

It’s ironic the youngster says he wants to develop under 47-year-old coach Christian Titz in Germany when Rafa is one of the world’s best managers in bringing out the very best in younger players.

It’s also something Rafa loves to do.

The youngster has been capped at Germany U17, and U18 level and great things are expected from the defender although he has yet to break into the Hamburg side having made one appearance so far.

It’s good news we are going after some top teenagers this summer and making bids for them.

Comments welcome.

198 comments so far

  • Geordie-john

    Jun 5, 2018 at 4:14 PM

    Comment #1

    Another one for a future transfer profit. I’m sure Mr Cashley will definitely sanction this one .

  • CalgaryMagpie

    Jun 5, 2018 at 4:22 PM

    Comment #2


    Got to take issue with your comment re Rafa loves to develop the younger players.
    Hasn’t worked for Armstrong lately had it.
    The only way he plays now is out on loan.
    Admittedly he is being touted as the best player at the U21 tournament and still seems to have no future at SJP
    Going out on loan again next season or sold is on the cards no??

  • ronaldo aarons

    Jun 5, 2018 at 4:27 PM

    Comment #3

    Krul had a good couple years as our no1. Although the injury seemed to take a big part of him away, I would have liked to see his time with us end more positively.

  • ronaldo aarons

    Jun 5, 2018 at 4:35 PM

    Comment #4

    Hamburg have announced that this kid has signed a new deal.

    Regarding talk of lascelles. There seems to be a number of fans on twitter actually contemplating selling him. I know it’s all for discussion but this is a no go, reject all offers, tell interested clubs to go #%^* themselves to put it lightly. Not even worth discussing really.

  • ronaldo aarons

    Jun 5, 2018 at 4:37 PM

    Comment #5

    HSV English
    HSV English
    Another youngster is on board! ? Josha #Vagnoman has signed a professional contract until 2021! ? #nurderHSV

    HSV English
    Replying to @HSV_English
    Sporting director Ralf Becker: “We are delighted to have extended Josha’s deal. We are confident Josha can break through into the first team sooner or later. We want to support him on this journey in the best way possible.” #nurderHSV

  • Tosun A. Wobbler

    Jun 5, 2018 at 4:41 PM

    Comment #6

    Where in defense does he play?

  • Jib

    Jun 5, 2018 at 4:42 PM

    Comment #7

    47-year-old coach Christian Titz in Germany

    Was going to post a pic of a nun in a bikini
    under the caption Christian Titz but then
    thought it might offend

  • ronaldo aarons

    Jun 5, 2018 at 4:48 PM

    Comment #8

    I’m one who is for Armstrong being given an opportunity. As a club we have been terrible at bring through you players and giving them real opportunities regardless how they or the team plays. I suggested he be given an opportunity with us in the championship like how Andy Carroll was last time.

  • ronaldo aarons

    Jun 5, 2018 at 4:50 PM

    Comment #9

    I think left back going by the reports. I’ve not seen anything of him at all so not sure.

  • ronaldo aarons

    Jun 5, 2018 at 4:52 PM

    Comment #10

    One thing that sticks with me about armstrongs time at Coventry was he and Jacob Murphy had a very good connection on the field. Both happen to be on our books. Worth looking at in pre season.

  • Reilly

    Jun 5, 2018 at 5:00 PM

    Comment #11

    Mark Kleinman
    Exclusive: Aston Villa Football Club suspends CEO Keith Wyness less than a fortnight after Championship play-off final defeat and amid suggestions that HMRC has served a winding-up order against Villa, one of England’s oldest professional football clubs, for missing tax payments.


  • lochinvar

    Jun 5, 2018 at 5:01 PM

    Comment #12

    Rafa clearly has a master plan.
    6’3 dubrovka collects a cross.
    Throws the ball the length of the pitch to 6’5 Bas Doss who scores.
    And to think we used to complain about hoofball.

  • Jib

    Jun 5, 2018 at 5:03 PM

    Comment #13

    ronaldo aarons
    As a club we have been terrible at bring through you players and giving them real opportunities

    Not really true

    Stevie Watson debut at 16 years 7months (262 games)
    Paul Gascoigne debut at 17 years 10 months
    Chris Waddle debut at 19 years 11 months
    Lee Clark debut at 18 years 5 months
    Paul Cannell 19 years 9 months

    there’s loads more

  • lochinvar

    Jun 5, 2018 at 5:08 PM

    Comment #14

    Jib – perhaps interesting to note which years or decade those youngsters made their debut ?

    Not so many of late have made their debut early and gone onto greater things ?

  • Jib

    Jun 5, 2018 at 5:09 PM

    Comment #15

    Well spotted
    About 5 hours ago Bruce said he might be leavibg
    I thought “WTF”
    We now know what is going on

  • ronaldo aarons

    Jun 5, 2018 at 5:09 PM

    Comment #16

    How far back do you want to go lol, I’m not talking about the history of the club. Didn’t think I need to mention that. The ones you list weren’t even in the premier league.

  • Jib

    Jun 5, 2018 at 5:11 PM

    Comment #17

    I’m one of those that are aware there was football before the PL

  • ronaldo aarons

    Jun 5, 2018 at 5:14 PM

    Comment #18

    You are one of many then 😉

  • Novocastrian66

    Jun 5, 2018 at 5:37 PM

    Comment #20

    If these rumours about Aston Villa are true it will be disastrous. If a club of their size can go to the wall it could truly happen to any club and it should be a huge wake up call to the whole of English football.

  • Jib

    Jun 5, 2018 at 5:40 PM

    Comment #21

    I’m one of those that has queued up to have a pop
    at Southgate
    Now I know what’s on the pitch is what matters
    I thought we looked pretty good against a strong Nigeria team
    I like the way the team are dealing with the media and the noises
    they are making.

  • Jib

    Jun 5, 2018 at 5:42 PM

    Comment #22

    You are one of those calling for a new owner.
    This sort of thing must be a big deterrent for
    anyone thinking of investing in English footy.

  • Novocastrian66

    Jun 5, 2018 at 5:55 PM

    Comment #23

    I agree with you there Jib. If people are buying clubs in the hope of making a fast buck there in the wrong game. I think Ashley falls into that category.
    We would be in the same position as Villa and, heaven forbid, Sunderland if it wasn’t for Rafa.
    Tony Xia backed his manager, Di Matteo, after relegation and he got it wrong and now the club is on the brink.

  • Tsunki

    Jun 5, 2018 at 5:58 PM

    Comment #24

    The modernfootball business is no longer the hint of the chancer and enthusiastic self-made businessman fan. Villa are another example of a club whose stewards have put all their chips on the one number – promotion at all costs and sometimes the cost is called in. I doubt villa will tank because they at least an attractive fire sale with some history and brand push but it shows you need to really get your head into exactly who will manage and coach your club, and who you will trust to make the right purchases.

    Do not feel sorry for their fans whose massed voices gleefully sang us down a league. I wouldn’t want to see them go bust but then again funny if they joined the mackems on the karma train to Schadenfreude Central.

  • Tsunki

    Jun 5, 2018 at 6:01 PM

    Comment #25

    Novo – the only credit we can give Ashley is that chairman Charn stumbled into the Benitez appointment more out of desperation. I’ve no doubt if he’d had his way we’d have run the gamut of promotion specialist managers before ever getting someone in who knows how to really manage a club.

  • Jib

    Jun 5, 2018 at 6:05 PM

    Comment #26

    Charn stumbled into the Benitez appointment

    I think you give him too much credit

    Rafa’s people approached us I think

  • Tsunki

    Jun 5, 2018 at 6:06 PM

    Comment #27

    Jib – yeah as i understood it. I probably do Charnley too much leeway. 🙂

  • Jib

    Jun 5, 2018 at 6:11 PM

    Comment #28

    ha ha ha

  • Novocastrian66

    Jun 5, 2018 at 6:21 PM

    Comment #29

    Ashley is doing his best to mess it all up again. We find the club at a crossroads again. If Rafa goes we will be on the slide again. We don’t have the resources to cope with another relegation. Ashley has to back Rafa and allow him to grow the club.

  • welshgeordie9

    Jun 5, 2018 at 6:24 PM

    Comment #30

    This transfer window is pants so far.

  • Jib

    Jun 5, 2018 at 6:26 PM

    Comment #31
  • Geremi's Prosthetic Leg Fund

    Jun 5, 2018 at 6:27 PM

    Comment #32

    Looks like Wolves are next on the list of a long line of clubs blowing us out of the water in ambition and funding. £35 mill for a RB.

  • Toonces

    Jun 5, 2018 at 6:28 PM

    Comment #33

    As we have our own ongoing issues with the HMRC, I would suggest we resist the urge to take pleasure in the plight of others going through their HMRC struggles, even if it is Villa. Karma and all that.

  • Toonces

    Jun 5, 2018 at 6:29 PM

    Comment #34

    Welsh @30 – the same as your posts.

  • Munster Mag

    Jun 5, 2018 at 6:30 PM

    Comment #35

    Indeed there was jib, well before Andy Grey and hairy keyes

  • Tosun A. Wobbler

    Jun 5, 2018 at 6:31 PM

    Comment #36

    Jib….hope it’s not the farewell crossroads for Rafa!!!!

  • welshgeordie9

    Jun 5, 2018 at 6:32 PM

    Comment #37


    Same old shite.

  • OneAlanShearer

    Jun 5, 2018 at 6:34 PM

    Comment #38

    I genuinely don’t care what over clubs are doing. 35 million for a full back is ridiculous money. Good luck to them. As long as rafa gets what he wants to build a competitive squad that’s all that matters. It’s very doable if Ashley let’s him do it and allows him enough funds.

    You can spend a fortune and still get relegated if you don’t do it right.

  • Moonraker15

    Jun 5, 2018 at 6:43 PM

    Comment #39

    This close season is beginning to look a lot like last year; one loan signing made permanent; re Christian Atsu / Dubs! Then loads of speculation and no action.
    If Rafa has to fight like he did last year to get an Average squad, he’ll be gone.
    I’ve said before, if they force Rafa out, that’s me finished. We’ve had 11 years of this prick of an owner and I’m pissed off with it.
    Jib you need to rethink your loyalty; 11 years of under achievement! Not good enough!
    Ashley, get out of our club!

  • Bobbybee

    Jun 5, 2018 at 6:43 PM

    Comment #40


    Ronaldo, this game resulted in the most remarkable coincidence ever in my life. Bizarre hardly covers it.
    Myself, my son and a mate travelled to Pride Park to watch this youth cup game. Arma had been on a role and I thought we might win it that season. Having watched the other rounds I didn’t want to miss this one.
    Obviously there was no segregation so we had some great banter with a few Derby lads. I was telling them about Arma and how he stood out as one for the future. There was about a thousand people there roughly
    Anyway, he scored the only goal and a nice one to boot.
    About three weeks later I went to a Soul Weekender in Prestatyn, North Wales. The place was chocker and I was waiting to get served at the bar and got talking to these lads. Asked them where they were from and he was looking at me strangely.
    I said to him I was in Derby a couple of weeks ago at the youth cup game and he nearly blew up. ‘It is you!’ he shouted and called his mate over. Unbelievably it was the same lads we’d been chatting to at the game. Didn’t recognise him at first because he had a hat on at the game – he was shiny-headed bald – but then it clicked when his mate came over.
    What’s the chances of that happening? We still chat on Facebook now. Bizarre or what? 🙂

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