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Rafa – We Deserved More Last Night – There Are No Issues


We were denied a penalty in stoppage time last night, and that was while three goals were being scored – two by Nottingham Forest, unfortunately.

Newcastle didn’t seem to get the rub of the green last night, but we didn’t play well either.

And while Rafa was not happy with the refereeing, he refused to comment on it during his TV interviews after the game last night.

But he is adamant today there are no big issues behind the scenes at Newcastle or in the dressing room.

Rafa Benitez – we deserved more

This is what he has said as reported in Chronicle Live today:

“There are no big issues.” “In the game you want players competing and who care.”

“There are things that can happen in the dressing room that can happen, but the atmosphere is good.”

“Jamaal was training outside today, I don’t know if Ritchie was outside, Manquillo was outside.”

“We have certain players who are injured. That happens. For Saturday there are doubts on Ritchie, Jamaal, and Manquillo.”

“There’s no chance for Jonjo. Each one is different.”

“IWe are disappointed, we lost the game, and even more was the way we lost, we conceded early goal, they were not creating clear chances, we didn’t have clear chances either.”

“We could see what happened at the end, the way you lose you have to be disappointed, it’s not the first time this year this has happened.”

“The positive thing for me is you could see the reaction from the team but we have to manage the situation better.”

“The decisions weren’t in our favor and it was difficult to take.”

“A lot of players seem to do well in terms of effort, they were working hard, it was a question of managing the final minutes better.

“After the penalty appeal, we had the feeling we deserved more.”

Rafa will know this is a huge disappointment for our fans and it’s the third time we have been eliminated from a Cup by a lower division team in the last two years.

But there’s not much we can do about it now.

We somehow have to get some points out of our next two games – at Manchester City on Saturday in the late game and then two weeks later when Arsenal come to town – after the International break.

We need to start picking up wins, but the next two games are extremely difficult and stretch over three weeks from Saturday – so things may not improve quickly.

Unless we take both City and Arsenal apart?

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54 comments so far

  • Jail for Ashley

    Aug 30, 2018 at 10:25 AM

    Comment #1

    Let’s hope he’s right.

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Aug 30, 2018 at 10:25 AM

    Comment #2

    ilovetoon8788,
    I’ll spare the repost.

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  • Mindshaft

    Aug 30, 2018 at 10:27 AM

    Comment #3

    The whole team last night looked like a championship team and some not even up to that standard

    Darlow 3 . Terrible , his handling is terrible and he can’t seem to hold a shot
    Sterry 3. Looked out of his depth, continually caught on the ball and I don’t think I saw him put a cross in
    Schär 3. Another who looks a bargain basement buy, poor positioning
    Fernandez 5. Best of a bad bunch at the back although thats not saying much ( good block after Darlow fluffed it again)
    Clark 2. Think even for Clark this was bad – always caught on ball and passing was terrible
    Atsu 2. Headless chicken springs to mind
    Longstaff 4. Out of his depth, took to long on ball and constantly gave t away – at least he was trying
    Ki Sung-yueng . 4 . Allowed Forest to dominate midfield although not helped by Longstaff
    Kenedy 0. Did he even play, ambled around the pitch like he couldn’t give a flying
    Muto 3. Not up to speed and he may never be
    Joselu 4. It’s same old Joselu

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  • ronaldo aarons

    Aug 30, 2018 at 10:28 AM

    Comment #4

    I love toon
    Why you responding to me now when you ignored me last night? You expect a 5-0 defeat pretty much every week. You can’t have that much belief in our players now can you.

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  • ronaldo aarons

    Aug 30, 2018 at 10:30 AM

    Comment #5

    Steve Howey talking on Sky Sports following Wednesday’s 3-1 defeat to Nottingham Forest:
    The Premier League is all important:

    “It’s not a great start to the season and this was always going to be a difficult game anyway.

    “You can argue, does Rafa play his strongest team just so they can get that first win? He has come out and said this is an opportunity to the fringe players.
    “Look they’re out of the cup, it’s disappointing and I think it will be a case that Rafa and the players will be disappointed, so will the fans but I think the manager is more or less concentrating on what can he do in the Premier League.

    “We all would like a cup run but the league is the most important thing.”

    How does it get better for Newcastle United?:

    “It’s going to be very difficult for it to get better.

    “You look at the teams that Newcastle have got coming up in the league and the fans are very very frustrated with what happened in the transfer market.

    “There has been a lot criticism coming out about Newcastle fans, people saying they think they’ve got a God given right, that is absolute nonsense.

    “That is not the case.

    “You get these people coming on saying this and that about the club and they haven’t got a clue what is going on.

    “The fact is, Newcastle fans are disappointed because they can’t see the club moving forward, they can’t see the club progressing in any way. They had a perfect opportunity at the end of last season they finished 10th…

    “Newcastle made a £123m from the Premier League and TV last year plus £43.5 million in player sales, now Mike Ashley was on Sky Sports and used this as a platform to say ‘Rafa Benitez will get every penny the club generates’, that has not been the case.

    “He (Ashley) said he wants to sell the club, that hasn’t been the case, or he has put it up for too much money.

    “Rafa Benitez should have been at least given the money he got for selling the players but he didn’t, that is what narks the fans.

    “Rafa Benitez has spent £13 million on THREE players which doesn’t get you anywhere in this day and age.

    “Newcastle fans are not asking, like Mike Ashley said, (for the kind of money) where can compete with the likes of Manchester City, we’re not expecting to compete with Manchester City or Liverpool or Chelsea, we’re not.

    “We’d just like to compete with the rest of the teams.

    “When you look at teams like Huddersfield, fair play to them, they have gone out and spent £17,5m on one player. Bournemouth broke their record and paid £15m for Jordan Ibe and just paid £25m for another player this summer.

    “Look at Newcastle United, Rafa has not been given the opportunity to bring players in.

    “You have got a world class manager and he’s not been given the tools to work. If he has not been given finance and finished 10th – how good can he be if he’s given a little bit of money behind him because at the moment he’s working with hands behind his back.”

    Before Mike Ashley arrived:

    “Before Ashley came we were playing in the Champions League and in 10 years I think we finished second, third, fourth, fifth and seventh, two FA Cup finals, two semi-finals, Champions League, UEFA Cup

    “We had the most expensive striker in the world, Alan Shearer in 1996, broke their record again in 2005 for Michael Owen and that’s it…it’s stopped.

    “It’s galling for the fans when they can see all these other teams breaking records, when Newcastle’s record is £16m.”

    What next?:

    “Rafa is the one that the fans are pinning their hopes on, he is Newcastle’s biggest asset and why would you get rid of your best asset?

    “You lose him and when you haven’t got the strength and depth of quality, which Newcastle haven’t got, they are going to struggle.

    “Rafa Benitez has turned around and said he would love this to be a five or ten year plan.

    “But if you look at the ground, it needs work on.

    “The academy needs work on.

    “There was a picture on social media, fans go to the ground and they pay their hard earned money for a ticket to watch the game and the facilities… the toilets, absolutely disgusting.

    “This shouldn’t be happening..fans see the funds not getting spent on the pitch, not getting spent in the academy, and obviously Mike Ashley seems to be in a position where he can’t be bothered anymore and the club seems to be getting neglected.

    “Where has £123 million gone? I don’t understand where it goes.”

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Aug 30, 2018 at 10:32 AM

    Comment #6

    ronaldo aarons,
    It’s easy to bandy WUM/Troll about and I don’t believe for a minute that catchy is, he’s unhinged and firmly believes in what he’s saying. Yesterday ilovetoon666 was saying that we’d be in the Championship without Rafa and today he’s saying that. Most definitely a troll as is that pathetic Welsh kid that gets on here.

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  • jimmygscot

    Aug 30, 2018 at 10:32 AM

    Comment #7

    Get real there is no chance of points from next 2 games. The cup game was a chance to boost confidence Bottom 3 and out of the cup before mid September problems in dressing room and criticism from all corners. Not a happy time to follow the toon

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Aug 30, 2018 at 10:35 AM

    Comment #8

    ronaldo aarons,
    Makes you wonder where Sholas head’s at?

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Aug 30, 2018 at 10:36 AM

    Comment #9

    jimmygscot,
    Just how you like it then, you’ll be delighted.

    4
  • Ron Knee

    Aug 30, 2018 at 10:37 AM

    Comment #10

    So how long will Rafa persist with Kenedy?

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  • jazzyp

    Aug 30, 2018 at 10:40 AM

    Comment #11

    Jib

    Yeah call me a drama queen what ever ya want sunshine for using such a taboo subject as that in which ya used .Ya nothing more than a piece of shite pal and discust me if I’m honest.Go tell all the families that have suffered at the hands of sicko’s regarding the subject you brought up and then say there just Drama queens.
    You realised what you had said by trying to cover with “oh sorry I’m pissed bullshit”
    Go jog back under ya stone ya cretin and stick to bullfighting,Cos ya know f all about football

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  • jazzyp

    Aug 30, 2018 at 10:42 AM

    Comment #12

    Big bad brentford or Millwall are as good as the national side of Serbia and Switzerland haha haha you absolute plank

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  • Rob1971

    Aug 30, 2018 at 10:43 AM

    Comment #13

    Munster Keys has slagged Rafa off from way before he arrived at Newcastle he has had an agenda with him since his days at Liverpool, he hates him just as Catchy has even though Catchy tries to say he rates Rafa as a Manager

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  • Rob1971

    Aug 30, 2018 at 10:44 AM

    Comment #14

    Catchy Middlesborough fans hated Karankas style of football when they were in the premier league as it was too negative, you would give him about 2 months as you did with Rafa before you started your campaign on here for him to be sacked

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  • Rob1971

    Aug 30, 2018 at 10:46 AM

    Comment #15

    Anyway I can’t understand why the Rafa out lot are moaning, they will get there way in the summer when he walks, I wonder which miracle worker will join to make them all happy

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  • Jib

    Aug 30, 2018 at 10:46 AM

    Comment #16
  • Rob1971

    Aug 30, 2018 at 10:50 AM

    Comment #17

    Jail Shola is ambassador for the club isn’t he? so he is working for them so he will praising Ashley for giving him a job

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  • hibbit

    Aug 30, 2018 at 10:52 AM

    Comment #18

    says a lot when Pulis has far better fans approval rate than Aitor Karanka ever had,
    Boro fans hated him and his style of play

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  • jazzyp

    Aug 30, 2018 at 10:55 AM

    Comment #19

    I’m calm jib because I have no problem expressing an opinion,If that makes me a Drama queen then so be it.

    You on the other hand using Child rape as a loose topic of debate want stringing up ya sick piece of shite.And I’m not gonna apologies for any swear word or any insult I throw at ya because you deserve everything ya get now.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Aug 30, 2018 at 10:56 AM

    Comment #20

    It was a poor performance by a much changed team against a much changed team. 1 shot on target wasn’t good enough. A win would have been great for confidence, but maybe not best for the longer season view.

    Longstaff was a bright point who was poorly assisted by Ki who disappointed again. Good goal from Rondon, and his first touch control on the halfway was hopefully a sign of things to come.

    Kennedy and Atsu were both poor again, and that needs to change quickly, particularly Kennedy if we are to start creating the opportunities we have been lacking.

    We should have had the penalty, but a draw would have flattered us and we didn’t deserve anything from it. Forest were more creative and were strong at the back. Man City next, then hopefully time to work on a more attacking dimension to our game.

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  • hibbit

    Aug 30, 2018 at 10:58 AM

    Comment #21

    Rob1971

    i honestly dread reading the short list when people on here are putting managers like Karanka forward as a candidate for the job

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Aug 30, 2018 at 10:58 AM

    Comment #22

    Rob,
    He can’t be short of a few quid so why his views are so different to Shearers and Howey’s is a puzzle.

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  • Rob1971

    Aug 30, 2018 at 11:03 AM

    Comment #23

    Jail he is taking the mantle of Bob Moncur and sitting on the fence while he is on the clubs pay roll, just a Beardsley always praised Ashley, which galls me as Beardsley was my favourite toon player

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  • Rob1971

    Aug 30, 2018 at 11:03 AM

    Comment #24

    Jail he is taking the mantle of Bob Moncur and sitting on the fence while he is on the clubs pay roll, just a Beardsley always praised Ashley, which galls me as Beardsley was my favourite toon player

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  • hibbit

    Aug 30, 2018 at 11:06 AM

    Comment #25

    got to be honest i was very surprised at Sholas attitude
    always thought of him as one of us. which he’s obviously not shame on him

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Aug 30, 2018 at 11:07 AM

    Comment #26

    Rob,
    I can understand Moncur even if I don’t agree with him, his only other income would be after dinner speaking and occasional radio interviews. But Shola has been on half a million a year at the very least for the last 15 years.

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  • barkel

    Aug 30, 2018 at 11:08 AM

    Comment #27

    Anyone calling for Rafa out are probably the same idiots that called for Sir Bobby to get the chop.

    I know we haven’t got the most exciting squad and we desperately need lb cover and a striker but what is everyone expecting from this opening run of games?

    We played well at Spurs and Chelsea got two soft calls from the ref that led to goals, we were unlucky to get beat in both of those, there’s a game plan there albeit not a very attractive one but we don’t have the players to go toe to toe with any of the top 6 or 7 teams. We could finish this season anywhere from 8th to 20th.

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  • TikiTakaAcca

    Aug 30, 2018 at 11:13 AM

    Comment #28

    I want to say something regarding Benitez.

    I have been on his back for about 14 months, I have tweets to prove it.

    I’m absolutely sick of the abuse I get because I don’t like him.

    Newcastle fans are some of the most annoying fans about.

    We treat Benitez like he’s some sort of miracle worker.

    There are other teams in the PL with arguably squads as bad as ours who still manage to stay up and like Bournemouth, have a footballing philosophy which is the right way.

    Benitez’s situation isn’t ideal, yes.

    But most of the time there is no excuses for him yet our fans will throw their body on the line to defend him.

    WHY?

    What has he actually done for us which warrants his defence of criticism?

    His tactics are poor, borderline embarrassing against Chelsea.

    The football is negative, he never changes anything, his subs are woeful. His sticking by Spanish players is dreadful.

    Benitez is well past his sell by date, the game has evolved.

    He’s not a World Class manager, and people need to realise that.

    His next job won’t be a big one, Mark my word.

    He deserves a lot of criticism.

    Our fans just say oh but he had no money, he needs players etc.

    That’s no excuse to set up your team like he did against Chelsea at home, it’s inexcusable.

    I couldn’t care less if he walked.

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  • Slank

    Aug 30, 2018 at 11:13 AM

    Comment #29

    I always try to refrain from commenting on the immediate aftermath of a defeat and let things settle for a bit before commenting.

    Yesterday’s result was almost predictable. If manager puts out eleven individuals who have never played together as team before that includes players new to the club, new to the country, and new to the league it should therefore come as no surprise that they don’t gel and play like a well oiled machine.

    I feel that Benitez should have bolstered the team from the outset with a sprinkling of regulars. Diame would have made a considerable difference playing alongside Longstaff. Similarly, Murphy and Perez.

    I can understand Benitez wanting try out some new players and some newly promoted reserves to see how they perform in a competitive match but surely not all at once. It’s best to slot them into a recognized first eleven.

    So what did Benitez learn:

    Darlow: Not good enough. Dubravka justifiably the number one keeper.
    Clark: Dummett need not fear for his position. Clark looked like a rabbit caught in the headlights, so nervous.
    Fernandez: Difficult to tell as this was the second variation of a defence in a week that he has had to adapt to.
    Schar: Like Fernandez. A defence operates best as a settled unit. Lascelles & Lejeune need not worry.
    Sterry: Did okay in the circumstances. Certainly better than Manquillo. Yedlin also need not worry.
    Longstaff: Did okay in the circumstances. Not helped by a very weak Ki. Needs a regular alongside him.
    Ki: Very weak and ineffectual. Early days. Could be a very poor buy by Benitez.
    Kenedy: Poor. What’s the point of having a tricky winger who never takes on the fullback near the byline ?
    Atsu: Poor: Like Kennedy. More effective on the left ? Their first goal was why a player has to get to the byline.
    Muto: Was he playing ? Benefit of the doubt. Like Ki, Its early days or early doors.
    Joselu: He always tries. But he needed support and service.
    Rondon: Knew which side of the goal to aim for. Pleased he’s off the mark.
    Perez: Many people don’t like him but I do. It looked like a penalty.
    Murphy: He can get to the byline. And he can cross. So why not play him instead of Kennedy ?

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  • Jib

    Aug 30, 2018 at 11:16 AM

    Comment #30

    I know it might be hard for some on here to grasp
    but
    It might just be Shola’s honest opinion

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  • welshgeordie9

    Aug 30, 2018 at 11:17 AM

    Comment #31

    Jail

    So im a kid then am i, you just pretend everything’s fine when they are clearly not. something must be wrong when you here stories of a fall out between manager and captain or apparently a fight on the pitch, i bet there’s a few players that don’t like rafas tactics but not going to say anything, morale is shit can see that on the pitch, its in a right mess.

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  • Lascelles sells sea shells by the sea shore

    Aug 30, 2018 at 11:17 AM

    Comment #32

    There were a few problems I noticed last night that could be easy fixes on the training pitch but I don’t think they will be implemented until we get through this horrible opening fixture list we got.

    The main one was how deep our back line sit. I would like to see our back line push up to the half way when we have possession to camp the opposition in their own half. The ball seems to get recycled across the back line until one of the defensive midfielders (it’s usually Shelvey when he plays) makes space to receive the ball then ping it to the wings. When the ball gets to the wings the end product (certainly last night) is poor season to date. We don’t seem to frustrate teams when we have the chance by launching the ball rather than keeping it. Since Shelvey has been crocked we have lost the ability to thread balls through to attacking players, without him it’s launched without any real accuracy, most times when it was launched to wings the winger was marked and would have a mountain to climb regarding controlling the ball and finding another player to keep the move alive, there was very little off the ball movement last night, in fact it was non existent.

    In essence what I’m trying to say is that all is not lost and I’m sure if I can see this then Rafa will too surely and make provisions to improve the style of play. Ki will get up to speed and Muto will also with more game time, however I think he has the essentials to come good when he gets used to the pace of the game.

    My final point is if we are to play 5 at the back against city I would like that to be balanced out with 2 up top centrally (big man small man partnership) so they can play of each other so a smaller striker can play for the knock ons from the bigger striker to ease pressure and cause our own problems. 3 across the middle to pressure and a 5 backline with disciplined shape to keep their stars at bay. I can understand playing deep against any top 6 side to an extent, but there needs to be an alternative attacking setup to compete against the teams in and around us and below us. We should hopefully kick into gear in October if the restless big mouths can keep their pants on until then. Rafa is pragmatic and reads the game changes well, he will give us an identity again when the shit storm fixture list gets a tad more easier.

    HWTL’s

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  • Jib

    Aug 30, 2018 at 11:19 AM

    Comment #33

    Does veryone on here suffer from memory deficiency ?
    Last years cuptie vs the same club
    Rafa made TEN changes

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  • welshgeordie9

    Aug 30, 2018 at 11:19 AM

    Comment #34

    How can rafa say we deserved more when we were shocking.

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  • welshgeordie9

    Aug 30, 2018 at 11:21 AM

    Comment #35

    Some people need to go to specsavers.

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  • Slank

    Aug 30, 2018 at 11:25 AM

    Comment #36

    Jib,

    ‘.Rafa made TEN changes..’

    With the same predictable result.

    Old dogs new tricks ?

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  • Jib

    Aug 30, 2018 at 11:31 AM

    Comment #37

    Welshie
    You are suffering from lack of knowledge of Geordie idiom.
    Here in God’s country quite old fellas still get called kid.

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  • Toon&oot

    Aug 30, 2018 at 11:37 AM

    Comment #38

    Let’s put things into perspective Rafa is not God and he can’t walk on water. As soon as he was appointed Jamie Carragher said don’t expect expansive entertaining football, expect teams set up to win 1-0. He played that way at Liverpool and their team and budget is and was far better than ours. Last night’s performance was disgraceful but Rafa won’t say that. He sets his teams up not to lose and in that the football offers little entertainment. Mounting injuries to a thread bare squad is a real concern. Rafa will continue to work with what he’s got as he has no option. I think some fans ‘ the black and white diluded’ need to take a reality check.

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  • RobLeenio

    Aug 30, 2018 at 11:43 AM

    Comment #39

    Toon&oot, hopefully the injury situation is not too severe and is already starting to work itself out.

    Lascelles and Manquillo(!) back in full training today apparently, Jonjo not yet but can’t be far off.

    I think we’ve been fortunate that any injuries we’ve picked up so far have been slight (Lejeune excepted)

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  • Rob1971

    Aug 30, 2018 at 11:48 AM

    Comment #40

    As I keep saying to the Rafa out lor TikaTaka which available manager is going to com e in and provide the sparkling entertaining football you want, as I keep saying Ashley won’t pay for a manager that is currently at a club so which manager is available that doesn’t play football like Allardyce and Sounnes, how about Pardew!

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