It was a game of two halves yesterday as Newcastle were dominant at Old Trafford in the first half and deservedly led 2-0.
But Manchester United were a different team in the second half although Newcastle held out for 70 minutes.
Then a goal from a free kick by Mata changed everything, and their winner came in stoppage time from Sanchez.
Muto scores Newcastle’s second goal
That winning goal could have saved Jose Mourinho his job at Old Trafford.
Comments welcome.
112 comments so far
hibbit
Oct 7, 2018 at 9:42 AM
Comment #1c-dog
sing in the corner is right on the money, even when Joselu is not playing you rabbit on about him we all get you don’t like/rate but its time to move on,the roofs caving in a tsunami is about to strike and you continue to focus on one player
we all know the lads limitations that what you get these days for £5m and £20k a week
Mag :P
Oct 7, 2018 at 9:54 AM
Comment #2C-dog has a really strange obsession with Joselu.
He’s so proud that he knew that Joselu was going to be poor before he signed.
Clearly the £5 million price tag didn’t give that away to everyone else.
Because he dislikes the signing so much he cannot/will not applaud him for his effort every game. We all know that he doesn’t have the quality but at least he gives it his all for the shirt. That’s all we should demand from our players.
kimbo
Oct 7, 2018 at 10:00 AM
Comment #3Relegation is the only solution to cleanse our club. 70% of our team are not PL class and we need to start again .
Is their a knight in shining armour to come to our rescue?
Vask
Oct 7, 2018 at 10:04 AM
Comment #4Shoulda brought darlow on for perez to close the game down. Two keepers. Dubrawka for normal duties and darlow just sweeping up the back post.
Liked what I seen from Muto. Looks a typical Muto goal from what I saw on the Dennis Wise school of scouting site. It’s nice to see a striker that isn’t a jigsaw.
Incidently, was that perez who air kicked his chance in the box? Couldn’t make it out on the dodgy phone stream I had going on.
Vask
Oct 7, 2018 at 10:05 AM
Comment #5Still don’t think we’re going down like. If we play like we did yesterday against 66% of the league we’ll be areet like.
Wayayman
Oct 7, 2018 at 10:06 AM
Comment #6Jimiley from last post,
You realise the 3 subs we made cost a total of £22m right? That’s not Ashley’s fault? How can you blame Rafa for that?
c-dog
Oct 7, 2018 at 10:08 AM
Comment #7@rob
Outta the woodwork. Could only guess why someone like you enjoys seeing Joselu. Back in your box lad.
bettyswallocks
Oct 7, 2018 at 10:13 AM
Comment #8A glimmer of light emerged from the dark, gloomy tunnel yesterday with Muto looking like he could score a few and Shelvey looking good again could supply the ammo.
If we had been given the pen and scored it or Perez had managed to kick the ball goalward instead of fresh airing it then the game would probably have been out of their reach and we could have hung on for a much needed victory.
We really need a proper number ten who can score a few and retain the ball as Perez really does muck up so many attacking opportunities that a better player wouldn’t .
Anyway at least we did look like a team that can put a few passes together for the first time this season so hopefully with a couple of much needed signings in January we will avoid the drop.
sing in the corner
Oct 7, 2018 at 10:17 AM
Comment #9True colours…
Genjikai
Oct 7, 2018 at 10:19 AM
Comment #10Vask @4 funnuest thing ive read on this blog cheers for that.
And to the bkoke who said its not ashleys fault for brining on worse subs. Ofcourse it is we have shit subs cause ashley wont spend the cash. Id happily look like a plonka and have it all wrong about ashley if he spent the money added that little bit of flair and quality. How ware man we cud of beat man u yesterday if we had just a little more about us
Mag :P
Oct 7, 2018 at 10:20 AM
Comment #11Nowhere did I say I enjoy watching him, I simply stated that I appreciate the effort that he puts in.
All that other rubbish you typed just proves that you have no argument against my points.
Vask
Oct 7, 2018 at 10:21 AM
Comment #12My team to face brighton:-
———-Dubrawka—–Darl——
Yed—Lace—Ferd—Kenny
———Shel—Diam——-
Ritch——————–Murp
-–———-Muto——-
Aye, that’s reet, two keepers.
magscar
Oct 7, 2018 at 10:22 AM
Comment #13REPOST yet again sorry Jail but was interrupted – some folk don’t seem to share my fixation.
Ed any chance Kacper could fix it so any post hits the latest thread notwithstanding the one on which it was started and submitted? A technological step too far? It’s the optimist in me!
JImiley
So Rafa brings on Hayden say for Kenedy ( forced substitution you realise not tactical) as he can defend and get forward ( ignoring his poor showing so far this season and width being needed)
Or maybe Clark – better suited to left side, not so rusty and can defend but can’t carry and keep ball well
Ok then make it Schar more elegant , hasn’t played much but can defend maybe can’t provide width either
Pick any one though and you now have a more defensive set up which might have stemmed or blunted Man U’s increasingly penetrating attacks but from previous experince not necessarily. We now have either 3 CB’s on pitch , one less out ball to a player with pace to get in behind Man U’s denuded defence which is there to be exploited and be a niggling concern for them and an increasing difficulty for us to play in their half and relieve pressure
Anyway you pay your money and you make your choice,. To add to our solidity the next substitution would be either of the remaining 2 of the 3 mentioned, not already having replaced Kenedy and presumably not like for like i.e. you would sacrifice another attacker or midfield. You aren’t suggesting Lascelles or Fernadez should be replaced presumably.
Kenedy has gone so we are looking at one from Perez, Muto or Ritchie. No? you are thinking of midfield OK Shelvey or Diame then and if you hadn’t used Hayden earlier an obvious choice would be Hayden for Diame.
That would have made sense last season but I am not convinced he would have done much more than give away more freekicks than Diame on Hayden’s current form. Let’s be honest as well until Diame stupidly gave away the free kick for the first goal no one was seriously thinking of changes (given what we had on the bench) Where is Ky btw?
I could go on with the various possibilities and hindsight makes PL managers of us all but Rafa yesterday was damned if he did and damned if he didn’t.
Make any of the changes being touted around and had we even draw game ( given that there is another side playing us with world class players – even on the bench! and a world class manager fighting for his job) then would we honestly be hearing Rafa hailed as a giving a lesson to Mourinho in tactics. No it would be why did we park the bus and concede possession yet again .
After a night’s sleep I remain gutted but satisfied with Raf’a choices but not Atsu’s performace but not to scapegoat him for a 20 minute spell where many sides of evcen better quality than us would have wilted,#.
Hoenstly wasn’t evreyone thinking would 2 goals with 80 + minutes to go at Old Trafford be enough for us? Might we not need another on? Yeah Schar Clark or Hayden will get us that when the inevitable happens and they get at least one back!
jimmygscot
Oct 7, 2018 at 10:22 AM
Comment #14The best laugh yesterday was when Joselu came on for Pereze and the commentator said it would give us’ fresh legs’. Obviously not seen much of Joselu!!
Genjikai
Oct 7, 2018 at 10:23 AM
Comment #15Funny as vask
Vask
Oct 7, 2018 at 10:24 AM
Comment #16Alternatively we could go all out and just play fog man back.
c-dog
Oct 7, 2018 at 10:25 AM
Comment #17We need the pace up top
Gayle last year
Muto this year
Rafa finally copping on
Genjikai
Oct 7, 2018 at 10:26 AM
Comment #18With stevie taylor in the team we did
Genjikai
Oct 7, 2018 at 10:27 AM
Comment #19Muto was unlucky with that header like. Good save.
Bobbybee
Oct 7, 2018 at 10:29 AM
Comment #20Jail, you ain’t wrong when you say you’re glad these muppets don’t go to games mate. Pure effing poison.
What happened yesterday IS Ashley’s fault. We finished tenth and just like when we finished fifth he failed to invest. And by invest I mean spent some proper PL money. Christ, even Championship money would’ve been nice. Instead, he pockets the lot and leaves Rafa to sign loanies and free transfers, with a couple of cheapies thrown in. You get what you pay for in life and football is no different.
Eventually Manure’s £400m side wore us down. And idiots are surprised? Wonder why that happened?
I thought the lads put up a great fight yesterday and looked more like the team of last season for most of the game.
The hard truth is we’re not good enough, but Rafa will once again try to work his magic and drag us up. Of that I’m confident.
Shame on you clowns. Ashley’s given Rafa no support at all. Not PL support anyway. Thrown him crumbs.
I can honestly say some on here disgust me. Make me sick to my stomach. We get a world class manager and he gets this treatment off Ashley and some on here. Not a clue. Don’t understand the game at all. You think he should be able to take a Championship level team and work miracles twice on the trot? To you football is just something you watch on the box and live in an echo chamber of your own front room.
Any manager is only as good as what he has to work with. Think it’s a coincidence that the three teams that spent nowt are bottom? It isn’t. It never is.
toon22
Oct 7, 2018 at 10:30 AM
Comment #21Let’s blame Rafa for MAs greed lol
Blaming the players too lol
Give it a rest
Mag :P
Oct 7, 2018 at 10:33 AM
Comment #22Bobby
I feel for you because you just typed an excellent post but it’s just a waste of time.
Common sense seems to go over there head to suit there agendas.
Genjikai
Oct 7, 2018 at 10:33 AM
Comment #23Well said bobbybee. Makes you sick to your stomach. Watching a man with pride having to take hits every day to his armour, ashley wont ware rafa down. And he wont ware us down too. Keep up the pressure against him its all got to change.
Mitts
Oct 7, 2018 at 10:34 AM
Comment #24Matt Ritchie’s second half performance was the worst I’ve seen from him, his work rate is usually a given. Allowed Martial to run riot.
Vask
Oct 7, 2018 at 10:35 AM
Comment #25Haha aye. Those were the days.
Am starting to get so bored by all the negativity that am getting close to going full geordie two, y’knah that guy who does the hotels dot com advert. Harump.
Mag :P
Oct 7, 2018 at 10:36 AM
Comment #26There fans were brilliant second half. They instilled belief into there team that they could win the game.
If this game was played at St james’ we would have won. It proves that fans can make a difference.
Nicky the ball tosser
Oct 7, 2018 at 10:38 AM
Comment #27Lack of depth did us in the end and fatigue. On the day, Murphy, Joselu and Atsu not as good as those they replaced. Pity, but it it was a valiant effort, with Kenedy, Shelvey, Lascelles, Dubravka, Perez and Muto, particularly good, but in truth the whole starting 11 were great for 70 mins. Bitter pill at the end, but we are really not that far from a decent squad, but need to do things right in the January window, and Ashley must know it.
Jib
Oct 7, 2018 at 10:39 AM
Comment #28BobbyBee
The heartfelt annoyance you feel
unfortunately will just have them
chuckling because they are MACKEMS
Genjikai
Oct 7, 2018 at 10:43 AM
Comment #29We are a total different team when we have pace uptop
Moonraker15
Oct 7, 2018 at 10:49 AM
Comment #30I don’t think I’ve ever felt lower than when that 3rd goal went in!
Like someone said, “it’s the hope that kills you”
Still suffering!
dig-n-dig22
Oct 7, 2018 at 10:50 AM
Comment #31Goofy 15 previous thread
We all hate Ashley, we all know the way he runs the club is a disgrace but don’t let that detract from the fact that “WE” looked like the team that was worth £400Mill+ during the first half at Olt Traford yesterday, so lets bury the myth now that Rafa’s players can’t compete in the Prem . Our poor performances have been down to tactics and team selection. It’s just a pity we didn’t bury a couple more first half chances, at least now know the team can compete when Rafa decides to take the shackles off.
geordietom
Oct 7, 2018 at 10:51 AM
Comment #32proud of the lads yesterday ( a win would of been good though) stop slagging the team off ffs … stop slagging each other off ffs … we got robbed yesterday bad decision off the ref knock on penalty … i still think we will be ok if we play like we did in the first half against most teams … 2 or 3 decent players in jan we will be fine … also we did’nt have the players on our bench to bring on like man u did … so howay lads and lasses stop the bitching
Bobbybee
Oct 7, 2018 at 11:03 AM
Comment #33It breaks my heart because I remember when we had the best fans in the world. Mind, it is a long time ago! Then again, that was before the Internet allowed every rabid mongrel to claim to be a Newcastle fan.
Being a Newcastle fan used to be getting behind the team no matter how bad things got, at least until McKeag took the club down. At least then they had the excuse that football was going through a terrible patch the country wide. Crap attendance at every club. This lot can’t use that as an excuse because football has never been bigger.
Supporting Newcastle isn’t just about football. It’s about supporting a region that’s been abandoned by govt. Being proud to be from the North East.
Some hard truths are a lot on here jumped aboard a bandwagon that SJH and KK got rolling. Thought they were supporting a successful club that was going to sweep all before them. Welcome to reality. This is how it’s been most of my 61 years, but I wouldn’t want to support any other club regardless of the reflected glory.
Newcastle’s my life and I know it is for tens of thousands of others. And we’ll keep turning up week in week out regardless of the muppet who runs the club – one muppet in a line of muppets. SJH was the only owner who actually cared about the club and it’s unlikely we’ll ever get another like him.
This is NUFC. We’re going through a terrible time AGAIN because of an owner who couldn’t possibly care less if he tried. Either get behind the manager, who’s working miracles with a team simply not PL quality, or do us a favour and do one.
I’m gone. Reading some of those comments has made me feel ill.
Lilongwe Geordie
Oct 7, 2018 at 11:07 AM
Comment #34I didn’t see the game yesterday, so can’t comment too much, but based on talking to those who did or went and reading reports and pundit assessments – including Shearer – we went after Man U at the start a bit more, even with little possession. We went 2-0 up, did we really change our style vastly to go far more defensive after the first half, as I’ve been told?
Either way, it does show that by adapting his tactics and style slightly we can achieve far more in performance nd results. Why didn’t we go after Palace, Cardiff or Leicester in the same way?
Lilongwe Geordie
Oct 7, 2018 at 11:11 AM
Comment #35If Rafa keeps setting us up in that way, we can stay up. Add maybe one or two in Jan, and Rafa will keep us up in spite of the restrictions placed on him by the regime.
magscar
Oct 7, 2018 at 11:11 AM
Comment #36Bobby
You might remember the Howay 5 0.
I do and recall talking with guy next to me in my seat in Gallowgate wondering we went to 3-0 would that be enough because even though at St James with the crowd in raptures this was Man U who had not so many months before stolen title off us and wer flying again.
We were not that confident still feeling lthat ast season disappointment but hoped we could keep it to no more than one in reply. In the end we did better and scored 2 more without reply with the last goal still living in my mind especially because it is often repeated on TV.
Moving on to now – we are nowhere near the quality and breadth of KK’s side and whilst Man U don’t have say the cohesion and complete confidence of their former side they did have world class players, a world class manager, a crowd waiting to be woken up ( like against Man City last season). If Moyes/ Van Gall had been there would they have made changes and got that result – I doubt it. There are 2 teams and 2 managers in a dynamic and fluid game which makes for unpredictable shattering outcomes – it’s Football!
I watched yesterday with my grandson and whilslt both cockerhoop when Muto smacked in the 2cnd and they looked all over the place I cautioned him with how fragile a side we still are against better players than us and how we had more than 80 minutes to survive against a side that could very easily turn it on given some catalyst.
So it proved and I don’t blame the players, the subs or Rafa.
I remember years ago watching a SKY game with a mate against Blackburn away when there were THE side – we scored very early and I was leaping off settee spilling beer when he brought me unexpectedly !!down to earth with a ” OH No we scored too early – we’ll just wind them up now!!
What!??
I can’t remember if it was a cup game but we did lose 2-1 i think but that was something which came back to me yesterday
– had we gone 2-0 with say 10 minutes to go ( not having only played 10 mins) having played as well we had and they and crowd becoming increasingly frustrated but were still in game until we deservedly score our 2 in 3 minutes would we have seen it out ?
We scored too early !! 🙁
Wasn’t Rafa at all!
Vask
Oct 7, 2018 at 11:14 AM
Comment #37Lilongwe leicester and palace are primarily counter attacking teams so I can see the logic in not bombing forward. Cardiff was too early in the season for the glue to have set. Hopefully we’ll see some more of yesterdays work rate and performance as we go on.
Aces-of-Eights
Oct 7, 2018 at 11:15 AM
Comment #38Main reason we lost was diame. 2Nd season ritchie. When martial had ball yedlin was there then ritchie should have gone close to martial and start tackling. If martial gets pass then yedlin challenges. Instead ritchie goes to yedlin to hold his hand and say i lov you and by then the 1 – 2 is played by martial pogba and its 2-2. When doubling up why people just stand and stare at ball baffles me. You should always put pressure and start putting foot in otherwise players just look up and can pass and move. VAR was needed for that handball
magscar
Oct 7, 2018 at 11:28 AM
Comment #39Lilongwe
Muto’s mobility and tenacity made a big difference and helped Perez but more importantly gave a stage for Shelvey to revel in which he hasn’t had this season. Why hasn’t Muto stated earlier? – over to you Rafa
Maybe wasn’t judged quite up to speed previously but I think it was a well comsidered tactical choice by Rafa to exploit Man U’s defensive uncertainities at times this season in a way Joselu just couldn’t.
Perhaps given our season so far he thought he might out fox Mourinho who had his own, difficulties by not parking the bus as most expected
Their shambles in defence cerainly did help. Mourinho’s fault which he eventually corrected after first making a mistake with the young lad who was sacrificed unemotionally for the greater good. Luck or good judgement? doesn’t matter he pulled it off.
Lads have 2 weeks to dwell on it but the performance not the result is what Rafa will hammer home and there a lot of good things amongst our known frailities to give us some solid hope.
Rotonda heights
Oct 7, 2018 at 11:32 AM
Comment #40Aces
don’t always agree with you, but yes diame made a stupid foul for the free kick and ritchie just winds me up at this level, poor delivery and constantly leaves yedlin exposed. Pity Merino wasn’t still here to take diame’s place. Only really potential world class player we had.
Muto was very encouraging however and we kept it on the deck a lot more.