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Could Rafa Stay At Newcastle Even If Ashley Is Still The Owner?



We are still hoping that Mike Ashley will support Rafa in the upcoming January transfer window and bring in may four players – some of them on loan.

Since we have our limit of two loans in England – Rondon, and Kenedy – Newcastle will need to look at the continent to bring in players that can help us this season.

Of course, if Newcastle sign Rondon or Kenedy permanently in January that removes that restriction.

It’s possible Rafa will do what he did with Dubravka last season and bring in maybe a couple of players from the continent with an option to buy them in the summer.

But we also expect Mike Ashley to give Rafa some decent money to spend to bring in a couple of outstanding players for the long term.

The owner will have to do that if he is to keep Rafa (shown above) at the club.

But Rafa wants to concentrate on the 9 upcoming games we have through January 2nd – and it’s vital that we keep winning games so we can be in a decent position in the league by the time the window opens.

That will help us attract some good players to the club.

The Chronicle has reported their initial information from Rafa’s people was that he would not stay at Newcastle with Mike Ashley still the owner, but that may be changing.

Ashley is trying to cozy up to the manager (ad players) in the hopes he can keep Rafa at the club, and that would help him sell Newcastle for a decent price.

The fact that Ashley is now attending games regularly and Rafa is pleased with that could be a positive for Rafa staying at Newcastle.

Rafa will not have any talks on a new contract until after January.

How we do in the transfer window should have a significant impact on whether Rafa thinks he can build a decent team at Newcastle with Ashley still the owner.

How well Newcastle can do in the league through the end of January could also have a huge impact.

That’s because if we do well, then Rafa may feel he can still build a top team at Newcastle – which is his number one goal if he stays at the club.

If we had to hazard a guess, we think Rafa will stay on Tyneside even if Ashley is still the manager next summer.

What do you think?

Comments welcome.


42 comments so far

  • DubaiMicky

    Nov 19, 2018 at 9:54 AM

    Comment #1

    I think it will go to the wire, so mid-end of June before Rafa signs a new contract. I think he will too.

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  • toon22

    Nov 19, 2018 at 10:07 AM

    Comment #2

    I hope so too
    As it would mean something has changed

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  • Novocastrian66

    Nov 19, 2018 at 10:11 AM

    Comment #3

    No chance.

    1
  • Jail for Ashley

    Nov 19, 2018 at 10:14 AM

    Comment #4

    No way. If Mashers had any intentions of keeping him work on the new training centre would have begun.

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  • sphinxhunter

    Nov 19, 2018 at 10:19 AM

    Comment #5

    Well, I hope he doesn’t. Rafa is too good for shite like Ashley. Ashley isn’t going to change, certainly not in the long term. Attend a few games and buy a round of pizzas… please! Spare us!!!
    Ashley has had nearly three years of Rafa at the helm to help ‘sell’ the club – and it isn’t the over pricing that has stopped all interest – its the conditions of sale – Ashley wants to keep hold of the NUFC shop, and control of the advertising, and a share of the TV money (though I think that is only for three years, and diminishing over that time).
    Rafa has ‘slummed’ it in a club owned by a leach – the man deserves to dine on champagne and caviar, not road kill and cast offs from the cut-price grocer – I want him to move on and win the Champion’s League in his first year away from Ashley, …preferably while Ashley gets relegated again and ends up in Parliamentary inquiry into his ‘fitness’ to be a FA club owner.

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  • Jib

    Nov 19, 2018 at 10:21 AM

    Comment #6

    Schar didn’t play for Switzerland vs Belgium
    because he was serving a one match ban

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  • Jib

    Nov 19, 2018 at 10:22 AM

    Comment #7

    Dubravka in Slovakia vs Czech Rep
    this evening.

    1
  • Oldgit1

    Nov 19, 2018 at 10:26 AM

    Comment #8

    I just need someone to help me understand the loan of players. The Daily mail is stating we have used up our quota of premier loan players which is two, Kenedy and Rondon. But surely we got Rondon from West Brom who at the time,was and still is a championship side.
    Hoping someone is kind enough to clear this point up as it’s doing my head in.

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  • hibbit

    Nov 19, 2018 at 10:35 AM

    Comment #9

    very good point that !!!!!!!!
    sorry i’m no help i don’t have a clue with this one,
    very interesting question ?

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  • Just a fan

    Nov 19, 2018 at 10:45 AM

    Comment #10

    Jib.
    Re Jim iley.thanks for that info..
    I was actually at that game.we got battered.

    1
  • Jib

    Nov 19, 2018 at 10:48 AM

    Comment #11

    Rondon joined us 6th August
    WBA were relegated end of May
    so I guess Oldgit has a valid point

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  • lesh

    Nov 19, 2018 at 11:07 AM

    Comment #12

    A question I’ve asked myself for years…. About European football

    Can someone explain why Israel and its teams are considered European when the likes of Jordan (Isreal’s bordering neighbour) isn’t?

    1
  • Jail for Ashley

    Nov 19, 2018 at 11:11 AM

    Comment #13

    lesh,
    I don’t think it’s a geographical decision, it would cause chaos when they rocked up to play in Iran etc.

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  • Jib

    Nov 19, 2018 at 11:13 AM

    Comment #14

    It’s down to membership of Uefa
    Eight states partially or entirely outside Europe are members:
    Armenia, Azerbaijan, Russia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Israel,
    Cyprus and Turkey

    1
  • RobLeenio

    Nov 19, 2018 at 11:17 AM

    Comment #15

    I’m pleased I’m not the only one confused over what the Nations’ League actually means. Would England have been seriously affected had we been relegated? I suspect not.

    What it has done for sure is to get rid of the majority of boring friendlies. Those that are left are now a genuine opportunity for the National coaches to have a look at some of their fringe players and experiment with formation, so even they will be more interesting than they were previously.

    As for the Nations League matches themselves, they’ve been brilliant.

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  • RobLeenio

    Nov 19, 2018 at 11:21 AM

    Comment #16

    Can Rafa stay as Manager even with Ashley still in control? The guy’s a professional, of course he can.

    Whether he wants to or not is another matter entirely and we’ll only get the answer to that in a few months’ time, I think.

    I’m confident he’ll stay, he’s been making positive noises about how he wants to develop the team, everything he says talks about the future of the club. I’ve never once heard him say anything like “If I am still here next season”.

    Of course, I could be completely wrong.

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  • Nostra Magpie

    Nov 19, 2018 at 11:45 AM

    Comment #17

    Can Rafa stay as manager even if Ashley was still the owner, well Jan window will be a decider for sure but also 6 million a year helps the headache.

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  • martoon

    Nov 19, 2018 at 11:49 AM

    Comment #18

    “we think Rafa will stay on Tyneside even if Ashley is still the manager next summer”
    I’m not sure Rafa would be happy with Ashley taking his job however if he stayed as owner then maybe…….. :mrgreen:

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  • martoon

    Nov 19, 2018 at 11:58 AM

    Comment #19

    Jail from earlier – yes I see what you are saying about the Nation League finals that they are part of the Play Offs.
    The only thing I don’t see is that surely there is a good chance that most of the group A winners will qualify for the Euros via the qualifiers so won’t need to play in the play offs?

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  • RobLeenio

    Nov 19, 2018 at 12:22 PM

    Comment #20

    So, is the only advantage of winning the Nations League group that you have the safety net of being in the play-offs should you fail to qualify from your Euros group?

    That and you’ll also be guaranteed to be in a group of 5 teams for the qualification process, rather than 6?

    These seem petty lightweight benefits for what is actually quite some achievement.

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  • jayphoto

    Nov 19, 2018 at 12:22 PM

    Comment #21

    Think Benitez will be off in the summer.. oddly, if we stay up he will have hugely enhanced his reputation doing it 2 years on the trot (strange when hes got champions league medal) but I think owners will be seeing how hes performed with nothing and he’ll have offers. Can see him moving onto a smaller premier league club with ambition and potential…perhaps a Wolves or a Leicester. No doubt Benitez enjoys the city and the fans etc at newcastle but the summer is a cross roads in the remainder of his management career, the next contract takes him into his 60’s and its probably the last time he can take on something if hes really serious about building a legacy over 5-10 seasons…
    under Ashley he will only ever be fighting against the owners to come 17th year in

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  • jayphoto

    Nov 19, 2018 at 12:28 PM

    Comment #22

    Saw us linked with piatek…Not sure why we don’t take a chance before these players move to the big leagues… if they are correctly scouted they should be identified. I mean he was the top scorer in a european league… Dubravka showed you can make the step up from some of the eastern european leagues and to be honest, the conditions they play in, and the physicality of the league sometimes makes them better suited to adapt than players from say the more popular dutch and belgian leagues. Serie A clubs have long taken talent from the eastern leagues, odd Premier league clubs never see the benefit in it…

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  • RobLeenio

    Nov 19, 2018 at 12:49 PM

    Comment #23

    jay, I imagine it’s an admin thing rather than policy – there are so many former Soviet nations, each with a complex league structure and each with their own language. Each league would need to be scouted diligently, otherwise what’s the point, and to do so would need a couple of scouts per league, preferably with local knowledge and contacts and the relevant language to talk to the players and their families.

    Italy has a large ethnic population from the likes of Albania, Croatia, Romania and other states in that region. I imagine it’s easier for them to find scouts with the requirements I’ve listed above.

    On the other hand, for the same reasons given above, it’s probably easier for us to scout from Northern Europe, Scandinavia and Spain.

    I totally agree that effort could be made to exploit the talent in those leagues as there will no doubt be some great players waiting to be discovered

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  • RobLeenio

    Nov 19, 2018 at 12:53 PM

    Comment #24

    Gaza in bother again

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-46261574

    Accused of sexual assault by touching on a woman on a train in August.

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  • RobLeenio

    Nov 19, 2018 at 12:54 PM

    Comment #25

    *Gazza

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  • simon376

    Nov 19, 2018 at 1:07 PM

    Comment #26

    Rob
    Unfortunately I think there will be more to come out about him. When my Cousin Gav was doing a talk in at a club in Heburn back in September, it was mentioned then when an autographed photo was being raffled off that a big night with a talk in for Gazza had to be cancelled as he was drunk and touching women up as he came in. The organiser of the Gavin night and the Gazza one was really good on his behalf and upset as he was, didn’t go to the press, but guessing now it might all come out

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  • Essex Geordie Bill

    Nov 19, 2018 at 1:27 PM

    Comment #27

    There’s a whole 6 days, 11 hours and 33 Minutes to KO for the Burnley, these international breaks seem to go on forever!

    2
  • Essex Geordie Bill

    Nov 19, 2018 at 1:28 PM

    Comment #28

    Burnley game.

    1
  • c-dog

    Nov 19, 2018 at 1:29 PM

    Comment #29

    Damage already done. Rafa will walk away from us in the summer.

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  • AncientC

    Nov 19, 2018 at 1:35 PM

    Comment #30

    I was catching up on some reading on The Mag and came across this quote which gave me a laugh:

    Toontaff • a day ago
    “You should look at Ed Harrison’s blog – a mad Trump fan, a big Corbyn fan, a Scandinavian ‘fan’ who never watches us due to his dinner arrangements, end of the world and conspiracy theorists and the mad box of frogs on matchday!”

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  • c-dog

    Nov 19, 2018 at 1:39 PM

    Comment #31

    Toontaff Turncloak

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  • Essex Geordie Bill

    Nov 19, 2018 at 1:42 PM

    Comment #32

    I remember seeing a game being played in Carcassone between young lads who would guess were around 16 and thinking how good they were. Probably part of a local academy and wondered how they would do in the EPL.

    I would imagine that this is a very small part of many similar set-ups throughout France and just having a scouting network to cover these instances would be a major headache for even the biggest clubs never mind trying to have similar networks throughout the rest of Europe especially in the lesser leagues.

    It makes the youtube option of spotting young potential look like a good idea! 🙂

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  • AncientC

    Nov 19, 2018 at 1:45 PM

    Comment #33

    I see the Chronicle are pushing the story that Benitez is going to be backed in the transfer market. Likely story. I still remember when the BBC etc were reporting Benitez would have up to £100 million to spend after promotion.

    I do think Benitez will stay on, I would expect Ashley will do the mathematically minimum to keep him then revert to type again. Once Ashley starts up the absentee landlord form again—you would have to expect Benitez will have a contract clause so that he can leave without having to pay out his contract.

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  • RobLeenio

    Nov 19, 2018 at 1:45 PM

    Comment #34

    simon376, I’m sad to hear that, though not surprised. Gazza was a product of his times when footballers were almost worshipped, their poor behaviour was tolerated and their victims had no voice.

    The majority now know that the objectification of women and men is morally and legally wrong. Sadly, some folk have failed to see how the tides have changed. Gazza is one of these.

    I sometimes think he should just be shut away in an institution somewhere and allowed to live his life in peace and comfort. He evidently can’t cope with real life.

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  • Essex Geordie Bill

    Nov 19, 2018 at 1:46 PM

    Comment #35

    Ancient
    I would argue the points about Ed being a Trump and Corbyn fan, but the rest of it seems like a reasonable assessment. 🙂

    4
  • Essex Geordie Bill

    Nov 19, 2018 at 1:52 PM

    Comment #36

    Ancient

    Yeah it said the same on the BBC teletext news, that Ashley has allocated funds for Rafa for the January window, how much is anybody’s guess however.

    1
  • Mag52

    Nov 19, 2018 at 1:55 PM

    Comment #37

    All in favour of the European nations competition.
    Excellent performance by Southgate’s young side v Croatia yesterday. So much better than those insipid old ‘friendly’ matches of the past.
    Online Guy’s comments about the current crop of England players not busting a gut for the shirt can only mean that he didn’t watch this match. As for them being overpaid, aren’t all PL footballers overpaid these days, including those who turn out for us every week ? It’s ridiculous that anyone should be on 60 grand per week, and that’s peanuts compared to some of the PL salaries.

    2
  • RobLeenio

    Nov 19, 2018 at 1:57 PM

    Comment #38

    Who’s calling me a conspiracy theorist? Damn Bolsheviks are everywhere!
    😉

    3
  • NY Mag

    Nov 19, 2018 at 2:01 PM

    Comment #39

    Bill @ 35

    It’s the way you tell ‘em…..that was a spit the coffee moment

    2
  • Essex Geordie Bill

    Nov 19, 2018 at 2:07 PM

    Comment #40

    Rob

    You a conspiracy theorist, never.

    We all know that you’re a Flat Earther. 😉

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