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What Rafa Wants From Ashley – But Owner Wary Of Giving Manager Too Much Control


There’s a report in the Chronicle today that tries to explain how Rafa has been working over his three years at the club.

Rafa was solely responsible for the choice of players coming into the club, and while players have been suggested to him by other people, it was his decision whether he wanted them.

On the other hand, Mike Ashley and company have the option not to fund some of Rafa’s choices, because, for example, they were too expensive, and that happened two years ago.

That’s when Rafa said he was signing the players he could sign and not the players he wanted to sign.

Rafa Benitez – wants total control of the transfer funds given to him

The Chronicle are reporting the club will agree to the same level of control Rafa has at the moment – but it seems that Ashley can still turn the manager’s request down – and that to us seems the point of contention.

Before Rafa arrived on the scene, the club’s transfer policy was carried out by committee with Lee Charnley and Graham Carr also having input when Steve McClaren was the manager.

But what does Lee Charnley know about football and players?

And you can get odd decisions coming out of committees (because the people in the committee have different ideas) and the standing joke is that a camel is a horse designed by a committee.

The Chronicle makes an effort to point out that while Ashley can shoot down one of Rafa’s transfer targets and not bring the player in, for whatever reason – too expensive, too old – they also have not gone above his head and brought in players he didn’t know about and didn’t want.

But that’s hardly something that should even be brought up as a positive because when they did exactly that in September 2008 with Kevin Keegan, it was a complete disgrace.

But we think the real point of contention is that Rafa does not want Mike Ashley to be able to decide whether he wants to spend money on the player.

If that remains the case, then Ashley is still essentially controlling who comes in – as happened two years ago when they were second-rate (cheaper) players.

What Rafa wants is to be able to spend the transfer money as he sees fit, and if he wants to spend £30M on one player – so be it.

That level of financial control for Rafa seems to be something that Mike Ashley is not willing to give in to.

That’s likely where the deadlock lies at the moment.

We’ll just have to see if they can come to some agreement … as time goes by.

What do you think?

Comments welcome.


85 comments so far

  • Essex Geordie Bill

    May 25, 2019 at 5:13 PM

    Comment #1

    Will people stop keep trying to sell Jonjo, he’s already said he wants to stay and Rafa has said he wants to keep him.

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  • Essex Geordie Bill

    May 25, 2019 at 5:16 PM

    Comment #2

    After watching the highlights of the HK 7s one thing that struck me was the similarity between Matty and Sean, can’t wait to see them together in the 1st team. (For us)

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  • Australian Pie

    May 25, 2019 at 5:25 PM

    Comment #3

    Man I wish they would finally release a statement with confirmation of the clubs direction, so hard to be patient with quite a positive end to the season and once again having hope that next season could be the one where we start to push on as a club.

    Would love news of Rafa signing shortly followed by a big signing of intent on a central midfielder.

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  • magpie0722

    May 25, 2019 at 5:32 PM

    Comment #4

    So all the players that’s been brought in have Benitz’s seal of approval, puts an en end to the debate that we have players that he didn’t want, as all he had to do was say no and move on. Still can’t understand with the option he had, why he would put Joselu before Mitrovitch though !!!

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  • lochinvar

    May 25, 2019 at 5:36 PM

    Comment #5

    What was the final outcome in the HK competition ?
    Need to catch up on all the newd

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  • Jail for Ashley

    May 25, 2019 at 5:41 PM

    Comment #6

    Australian pie,
    Do you think that players of Joselu’s standard were what Rafa expected when he signed that three year deal, btw Mitrovich has helped relegate the last two PL clubs he’s played at.

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  • beermonkey

    May 25, 2019 at 5:41 PM

    Comment #7

    essex

    how far behind sean is matty would you say

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  • ToonAndrew

    May 25, 2019 at 5:46 PM

    Comment #8

    .

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  • ToonAndrew

    May 25, 2019 at 5:48 PM

    Comment #9

    If Rafa goes then i think we will be linked with the likes of mcclaren and carver, maybe pardew.

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  • Jail for Ashley

    May 25, 2019 at 5:49 PM

    Comment #10

    ToonAndrew,
    Do you really mean that?

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  • ToonAndrew

    May 25, 2019 at 5:52 PM

    Comment #11

    I wouldn’t worry about getting top targets in, we playing in the championship next season if Rafa goes.

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  • Jail for Ashley

    May 25, 2019 at 5:52 PM

    Comment #12

    Jibbers,
    Me auld China plate, on the contrary, Fantasy Football takes a lot of effort to keep on top of it, unlike some of the computer games FF is very real, you’d struggle with your fireworks on the left theories and thinking players were out of form when suffering serious ankle injuries but it’s actually a very tough game to be good at.

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  • Jail for Ashley

    May 25, 2019 at 5:53 PM

    Comment #13

    ToonAndrew,
    Sorry I misread your post, you said the likes of…..Pardew wouldn’t dare come any where near the place as manager, that Cardiff game will be very fresh in his memory when things start to go wrong.

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  • ToonAndrew

    May 25, 2019 at 5:54 PM

    Comment #14

    Jail

    The club have raised the bar so high in getting Rafa, our next manager will not be on the same level as him and Ashley who’s blind as a bat doesn’t see that, playing a dangerous game.

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  • ToonAndrew

    May 25, 2019 at 5:55 PM

    Comment #15

    Jail

    The club have raised the bar so high in getting Rafa, our next manager will not be on the same level as him and Ashley who’s blind as a bat doesn’t see that, playing a dangerous game, and that could fcuk up the clubs future.

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  • ToonAndrew

    May 25, 2019 at 5:57 PM

    Comment #16

    Posted that twice.

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  • Jail for Ashley

    May 25, 2019 at 6:01 PM

    Comment #17

    ToonAndrew,
    There’s not much more to be said really, we’re all holding our breath. I just don’t know how they think they can deal with the fallout if he goes, they’ve dealt with the fallout of KK though, the sacking of CH and the appointment of a sacked league one manager, I’m quite certain that they’ll think they can just ride another storm.

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  • lesh

    May 25, 2019 at 6:06 PM

    Comment #18

    TyneMouth

    Being 76 means nothing when you live by the old mantra – ‘You’re only as young as the woman you feel’.

    You’ll be telling us next that your middle name’s Lothario.

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  • lesh

    May 25, 2019 at 6:08 PM

    Comment #19

    Essex Geordie Bill

    Whether we get to see the Longstaff lads together really depends on whether Ashley splits them up first!

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  • ToonAndrew

    May 25, 2019 at 6:12 PM

    Comment #20

    Can’t believe what Newcastle and Brighton done to CH.

    1
  • ToonAndrew

    May 25, 2019 at 6:14 PM

    Comment #21

    Longstaff is not going anywhere, he would be a fool if he did.

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  • Chancel My MBembaship

    May 25, 2019 at 6:16 PM

    Comment #22

    Munster has gone a bit quiet since he got called out for his bit of ignorant homophobia. Probably thinks it’ll get forgotten about it.

    1
  • Munster Mag

    May 25, 2019 at 6:17 PM

    Comment #23

    Correct magpie 0722. Some of the more tunnel visioned blog members somehow managed to convince themselves that the good signings were made by rafa, and the bad ones by…. Someone else. So just like fans of other clubs who have managers ranging from great to poor in terms of making buys, we have to hope rafa and his recruiting guys get it right more than wrong. In other words more schar and less Murphy.

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  • Mister Tuff

    May 25, 2019 at 6:20 PM

    Comment #24

    As if music posts, gardening advice, politics and posters medical conditions were not enough, we now have a couple of old snifters talking about deflowering a young maiden. Disgraceful – ye kna who yees are.
    I’ve just got one thing to say to each of you :-

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1VgcxE9Lpw

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  • bettyswallocks

    May 25, 2019 at 6:22 PM

    Comment #25

    As the number of players we are being linked with grows then whoever is speaking to their agents must be telling them that we need to know who our manager is going to be next season before any deals can be finalised. Or maybe it’s just us poor mugs as fans that haven’t been told yet.

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  • Chancel My MBembaship

    May 25, 2019 at 6:23 PM

    Comment #26

    I can’t see this deadlock being broken between Ashley and Rafa. Mike doesn’t care about the well-being of the team. We’re merely a guaranteed money making side project with that sweet Premier League and tv money coming in every season. He’ll drop the bare minimum and hopefully narrowly avoid relegation every year and that’s the polar opposite of what Rafa wants.

    A profit obsessed owner who’s more interested in building his high street empire versus someone who thinks about football 24/7 and loves the game. Why should Rafa settle for scraping by every year? He doesn’t want to be swimming against the tide, he needs an ambitious owner who loves the club he owns. That’s not Mike Ashley, is it?

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  • toon kk

    May 25, 2019 at 6:25 PM

    Comment #27

    If Rafa go’s the club will probably fall apart, but Ashley will not want Rafa to leave but putting money in to the level that is required is a no go! Ash will know the faithful fans will still FILL SJP so it’s a tough call for him.

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  • Nostradamus the Geordie

    May 25, 2019 at 6:27 PM

    Comment #28

    Yes MA, why give a manager of god know how many years experience the responsibility of transfers and things that would help the club.

    I mean with you and Chumley Warner at the helm and both knowing as much about football as Rafa knows about nuclear fusion why would you let him do something amazing with the club.

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  • Chancel My MBembaship

    May 25, 2019 at 6:27 PM

    Comment #29

    Looks like Neil Lennon has the Celtic job in the bag, so there’s one club for the journalists to delete from their ‘Rafa’s possible options’ list.

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  • Munster Mag

    May 25, 2019 at 6:28 PM

    Comment #30

    Chancel calm down pet I was only winding up a reaction. I think the pink stripe looks ridiculous down the middle of a black and white shirt but I don’t see it as a statement of a gay team. How could anyone conclude that 11
    Blokes wearing a pink stripe could constitute a gay team? As jib will know Stade Francais and other French rugby teams have worn pink aswell so it’s hardly revolutionary and I don’t believe they are any more or less ‘gay’ than sarries, Gloucester munster or the all blacks.

    1
  • Munster Mag

    May 25, 2019 at 6:38 PM

    Comment #31

    Chancel on the negotiation I wud tend to agree that the more this us going on the worse it’s possibly getting. But it’s a certain sign ofla k of trust and nobody cud blame anyone for that when it comes to ashley

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  • Munster Mag

    May 25, 2019 at 6:41 PM

    Comment #32

    Celtic, PSG, Leicester cud all have been strong suitors. That’s progress.

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  • bettyswallocks

    May 25, 2019 at 6:48 PM

    Comment #33

    Munster……… Is it true that the Gaelic football lads all go commando under their playing shorts?

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  • OneAlanShearer

    May 25, 2019 at 6:51 PM

    Comment #34

    I’m very much hoping the fact other clubs are no longer after rafa is a sign they knos he is staying at nufc and that they are near to agreeing a deal that is positive for rafa and us. Naive perhaps but the alternative does bare thinking about.

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  • Munster Mag

    May 25, 2019 at 6:54 PM

    Comment #35

    Chancel, I just read my comment again. Ya you’re right, stupid things to say. Hands up and apologies if any offence caused.

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  • Chancel My MBembaship

    May 25, 2019 at 7:16 PM

    Comment #36

    Didn’t offend me personally Munster, just seemed like a daft thing to say that had nowt to do with football and made you look a bit ignorant, that’s all. The fact you’ve recognised that and apologised is good though. Fair play.

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  • lesh

    May 25, 2019 at 7:21 PM

    Comment #37

    Munster Mag @23

    May I suggest that Murphy was one of those players Rafa ‘could sign’ rather than ‘wanted to sign’.

    Come to think of it, didn’t Rafa refer to him as ‘one for the future’ or words to that effect? If that was the case, it suggests to me he needed some work done on him.

    Manager’s can never get 100%, instant success with every signing they make and Rafa’s record seems to be far better than his predecessors – given the money he’s had to play with and the constraints he’s been working under. Bear in mind that Rafa’s made better players of some he’s inherited and been forced to work with.

    Give the man a break – he’s one of the best the club’s ever had and like it or not, he’ll be a hard act to follow.

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  • Chancel My MBembaship

    May 25, 2019 at 7:22 PM

    Comment #38

    The whole club is in limbo until Rafa’s contract is sorted out. Mike is going to drag it out as long as he can, like he always does. It’s probably not even a priority for him and more of an irritation that he’s trying to leave for Charnley to sort out. We all know how well that’ll go!

    Let’s assume Rafa does go, who would we like to see replace him? Who’s available? And be realistic (yes Ketsbaia, I’m talking to you).

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  • Moonraker15

    May 25, 2019 at 7:24 PM

    Comment #39

    Pie
    Re the lack of communication from the club; I find it one of the main frustrations with Nufc. It is a disgrace that the owner or Charnley doygive the fans an update. We pay good money to watch and support the toon and Ashley treats us like sh1t season after season taking money out of the club and not bothering to update us. What a fcukin shyster he is!

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  • Chancel My MBembaship

    May 25, 2019 at 7:28 PM

    Comment #40

    https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/trainer/verfuegbaretrainer/statistik

    There’s a list of available managers, although some are currently linked to other clubs, such as Conte to Inter. Mike isn’t going to pay compensation for a currently employed manager, and he’ll likely avoid high earners like Mourinho, so we’ll be looking at mid to low level managers who will accept minimal transfer funds and a disinterested owner.

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