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Former Newcastle Manager Offers Opinion On Magpies Job



The Shields Gazette have reported on an interview that Sam Allardyce gave on Talk Sport.

Sam was the manager of Newcastle United when Mike Ashley bought the club in 2007. Allardyce was not Ashley’s preferred choice and after a poor run through Christmas was let go in early January 2008.

Allardyce will know all about what’s its like at Newcastle even though his tenure was short as he is also a former Sunderland manager.

This is what Big Sam had to say on Talk Sport:

“I think we all know the pitfalls of the Newcastle job but you don’t turn it down if it’s offered, if you have any ambition.

“I left Bolton to go to the next level. There has been a lack of real success for many, many years.

“The fans have turned to be more patient – they realise what the club has become.

“It was all about winning a cup competition or Europe when I was there.”

This is a very interesting series of comments by Allardyce. The “if you have any ambition” part sticks out sorely when talking about taking the Newcastle job. The owner has no ambition so why would any ambitious manager take it.

It is a job at a big club and will realistically will only be taken by a manager who could not get a job at any other top club.

He also mentions how the fans have turned more patient as they have come to learn “what the club has become.” Yet while he was here, he boasts it was all talk about winning something.

Well Sam, why do you think that is? It is because Mike Ashley has turned the club of Kevin Keegan and Bobby Robson into a middling advertisement for Sports Direct.

Sam does go on and actually give Rafa a compliment which is somewhat surprising as the two had a contentious relationship:

“Rafa did a fantastic job keeping in the PL.

“The hard thing for Mike Ashley is getting someone in to manage the club, what can a new manager achieve to take the club forward? That will difficult.”

Sam is spot on here that it is going to be difficult to replace Rafa Benitez. In fact, for Mike Ashley it will be impossible. For as long as he is the owner, any new manager will looked upon with suspicious eyes.

Sam finally says what every person is thinking when asked if he would consider taking the position:

“I don’t think so. In my time, I was between Freddy Shepherd and Mike taking it. Alan Shearer and Kevin Keegan have gone back and not done as well as expected. It’s all hypothetical – I won’t be offered it.”


216 comments so far

  • RobLeenio

    Jun 25, 2019 at 2:29 PM

    Comment #41

    Of course, if he wants to talk about the takeover process, he’ll be unable to do that until the sale process is over one way or the other, at which point it will be largely academic anyway.

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  • hibbit

    Jun 25, 2019 at 2:32 PM

    Comment #42

    thanks everyone

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  • Cathedral on the hill

    Jun 25, 2019 at 2:34 PM

    Comment #43

    Firstly not a new poster, used to post now and again under the name L toon.

    Still hasn’t sank in yet feel like someone has ripped out my heart, stamped on it, urinated and excremented on it and then fed it back to me.

    Welcome to Newcastle United, i cant say football club as there isnt a sporting institution out there ran less for sporting reasons than us, where you will have the best job and the worst job all at the same time. If you haven’t worked it out yet you will very quickly, your not a manger but a head coach. You will also discover the clubs aim and ambition of survival every single year and everything the club will do will be geared towards that. You will also have the unique opportunity to deal with 3 of the upmost ignorant, unqualified bloody idiots to run a club. You wont have a say in transfers, get what your given basically, but you will save yourself the time and effort of banging your head against a brick will continually being told the players you want are either too old, too expensive, too higer wages or the agent wants too much. Just try not to jump up and down too much when transfers take weeks and weeks to complete because they have to go through penfold and barnes before lardey can sign them off. Sorry if you were hoping for investment in the scouting and youth department but its just money wasted so we dont bother. Dont bother telling the club why they have wheelie bins as ice baths and a converted squash court as a fitness room because they wont listen to you and wont inprove the facilities anyway. You will be expected to coach and improve the players on a zero net spend as the club “has to live within its means”, so they can be sold for a vastly inorbitant fee in a few seasons. Its also club policy that cup runs are not tolerated and if you are successful dont expect the club to build on it as ambition just like cup runs isn’t tolerated. Anything else your not sure on go and talk to the bald bloke who pretends to look as though he knows what hes doing. Good luck.

    The sad thing is it doesn’t matter who the manger is as long as that obese, greedy, gargantuan piece of excrement owns us we will always be a basket case of a club surviving relegation. Boycotts has to be the only way, Its not about trying to hit him in the pocket its about sending a message, a very powerful one that will resonate through the footballing world. 40,000 people standing outside the ground on the opening day, so if there ever was a picture is worth a thousand words that would be it.

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  • Tony Baloney

    Jun 25, 2019 at 2:39 PM

    Comment #44

    That’s it then. Vince career over now. I said it was before this game (probably stating the obvious) but this seals it.

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  • lochinvar

    Jun 25, 2019 at 2:39 PM

    Comment #45

    I always thought that The Doomsday Clock was about oblivion following nuclear war.
    Not so sure now.

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  • Tony Baloney

    Jun 25, 2019 at 2:41 PM

    Comment #46

    Oh, and England don’t like Nathan Lyon. I would say 80-20 Aussie win even though they threw away a good start.

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  • gonufc (Newcastle United Sports Direct Advertising Club)

    Jun 25, 2019 at 2:42 PM

    Comment #47

    Hmmm, it looks like we’re heading for another Kinnear year- you can all mention names but it’ll likely be whoever’s desperate enough to be the cheapest and easy to disappoint by not kicking off when promises are broken.

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  • lesh

    Jun 25, 2019 at 2:44 PM

    Comment #48

    RobLeenio

    Is it not usual when joining a group to tread gently and not push for arguments or criticise the status quo?

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  • MG-Man

    Jun 25, 2019 at 2:45 PM

    Comment #49

    If Ashley makes a balls up with this takeover, I hope he wakes up with a camels head in his bed

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  • newcs

    Jun 25, 2019 at 2:45 PM

    Comment #50

    A lot of people are missing the point about the manager. You’re saying you’d be happy with moyes, blanc etc.. Rafa wasn’t just a manager the same way Sir Bobby wasn’t just a manager. They resemble everything that is good and decent about the world and football and they make you feel proud of the club you support regardless of results.
    Young players look up to them and they inspire the various people they impact around them. This isn’t a case of MA just flipping managers again in some egotistical game of chess. This is us losing a piece of our soul again and it’s going to be God damn hard or impossible to replace. So don’t just sit there talking about who or what will happen in the next few weeks. It’s time to take a stand. Boycott the first game… Make sure the ground is empty. That’s what you should be talking about. Get rafa back and get out soul back in the club. That’s something we can all be proud of instead of repeating the same old nonsense.

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  • lochinvar

    Jun 25, 2019 at 2:50 PM

    Comment #51

    The NUC statement:
    “We have worked hard to extend Rafa’s contract over a significant period of time, however it has not been – and will not be – possible to reach an agreement with Rafa and his representatives”

    Closer scrutiny might suggest that “and will not be – possible to reach an agreement with Rafa and his representatives” could be construed as meaning….”no time left as busy with the takeover” or “as of 30th June we don’t want these costs on the books” ( what happens after that is not our concern ) or in fact ” Rafa and his representatives have declined to put pen to paper so as not to constrain their contract negotiations (which may already have been agreed in principal ) with BZG.

    Take your pick really.
    Or
    Charley got told off by Ashley and retreated like a sullen urchin onto the naughty boys step

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  • chancel be a fine thing

    Jun 25, 2019 at 2:50 PM

    Comment #52

    The Magpie Group
    ?

    @TheMagpieGroup_
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    The Magpie Group are holding a Public Meeting at the Newcastle Labour Club on Leazes Park Road starting at 7 pm on Monday 1 July. The aim of the meeting will be to agree on the best way to change the current regime at St James Park. All welcome – admission free

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  • ChicoUSA

    Jun 25, 2019 at 2:51 PM

    Comment #53

    A few bloggers mentioned yesterday a protest vigil being held outside SJP last night at 6pm. Did that happen? And if so did anyone reading Ed’s blog attend?

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  • DicBDoonToon

    Jun 25, 2019 at 2:52 PM

    Comment #54

    I Dont usually share my two peneth… But here’s a thought…

    Mikey boy is on his way out of the club, with the new owners making him aware Rafa would be kept on as manager. As one last two fingers to the fans before he slimes off into the southern skies, he releases the statement without telling Rafa, as he knows there are NDAs and Rafa won’t talk – and to instil worry into the fans until the take over is anounced.

    I guess one can only hope.

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  • Bambams

    Jun 25, 2019 at 2:53 PM

    Comment #55

    Disastrous start for England….
    Well said Tuffers !
    Root out for 8

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  • lochinvar

    Jun 25, 2019 at 2:55 PM

    Comment #56

    If this all goes horribly wrong then any protest should take a leaf out of the sixties protest movements or even the Eco warriors of today

    Surround SJP from before Arsenal arrive in their bus, let their supporters into the ground when it’s open so they can have a look or they can join the mighty throng surrounding the ground, linking hands singing ‘ we shall overcome”

    None shall pass

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  • Captain AmeriMag

    Jun 25, 2019 at 2:55 PM

    Comment #57

    Everything that made me confident about the takeover remains unchanged, BZG statements, impenetrable wall of “No Comment” from both sides, Monochrome Acquisitions etc and Ashlie announcing a week early that Rafa “can not and will not” be negotiated with without actually speaking to him first is just so weird it convinces me even more!!
    Am I delusional? Probably! But I’ll keep believing until I read it in black & white from the BZG

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  • Nostradamus " Mike Ashley The Clown "

    Jun 25, 2019 at 2:56 PM

    Comment #58

    Will being a Supporter of our historic club ever get back to loving it instead of feeling we are in an nightmare that never stops.

    Mike Ashley is like Stephen King and John Carpenter, you think you know how the movie will end and then, twist and your left sitting thinking holy shit.

    I’m confused beyond reality, how the hell will this now play out?

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  • Foggy Hall to Timbuktu

    Jun 25, 2019 at 2:57 PM

    Comment #59

    Skybet have created a market for Rafa’s next club for first game of next season.
    They have us 16/1 me and my work mate have just hoyed on a tenner!
    Howay rafa!
    Howay the sheikh!
    Howay the lads!
    Haha

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  • geordietom

    Jun 25, 2019 at 3:00 PM

    Comment #60

    Benny 10 …

    from previous re: TOON22… i’am sick and tired of him calling people SHILLS. P/R PEOPLE …over and over again .

    he wont induldge us with a decent convo . me personally i think theres more than one person behind the frog working to do our heads in with their drivel . we even had one poster came on said he the blog saviour …

    but now we have however long it takes to get rid of Ashley to put up with the green ones shite…

    anyway had my say but mark my words as long as the frog blathers on i’am gonna have ago at him…2 can play at his game .

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Jun 25, 2019 at 3:00 PM

    Comment #61

    A guy at work, a Loool fan who doesn’t go to games said today Newcastle need someone to come in and just keep you safe. I said you’re getting Mike Ashley and Newcastle United football club mixed up with each other, we had a manager who wanted to take us further than just being safe, Ashley is happy with 17th.

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  • Jib

    Jun 25, 2019 at 3:00 PM

    Comment #62

    There’ll be few more twists and turns in this convoluted
    closed season before we see a final resolution
    Oh
    Also Lesh you and Jail do not own the blog

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  • Tony Baloney

    Jun 25, 2019 at 3:01 PM

    Comment #63

    I am not even sure what arguments I am accused of causing. Questioning the validity of a random blogger saying his Uncle had told him by text a deal with BZG was done and then that a meeting was set today to discuss Rafa’s job after Fatty had fired him in a fit of pique seems logical to me.

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Jun 25, 2019 at 3:02 PM

    Comment #64

    geordietom,
    What a surprise to see your name followed by TOON22, why haven’t you LYFMO as well?

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Jun 25, 2019 at 3:02 PM

    Comment #65

    Jibbers,
    Nor do you old bean.

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  • Nedders

    Jun 25, 2019 at 3:04 PM

    Comment #66

    Good grief, not another supporter group trying to “change the current regime”. It’s pretty simple; to paraphrase the odious owner, “it has not been – and will not be” possible to change him until he decides to leave. Or dies. It’s really that simple. There is no “support the team” – the players come and go, the owner is a constant so by entering the stadium, by buying a kit, you are effectively saying “I’m ok with Mike Ashley”. There’s really absolutely no other comment to make. The only way you really say “I’m absolutely not ok with Mike Ashley” is by severing ties with the club – temporarily. You can care for the results, maybe watch on the tellybox – I’d actively encourage pub visits, as pubs need the income more than Mike does – but you cannot go to SJP and complain.

    Why? Because he doesn’t care. He’s not there. Nothing said, waved, or sung at a football match scratches the surface of Mike’s contempt. He’s bigger, richer and more important than you, me and everyone in black & white. Nobody who follows the club is richer or more powerful than him. End of story.

    If, as is still very likely, there’s no takeover because Mike is unwilling to sell, you have to put it on hiatus. Nothing will tarnish your memories of Wyn Davies, SuperMac, KK, Waddle, Gazza, Beardo, Cole, Ginola, Shearer and of course SBR. Those memories don’t involve Mike Ashley. Your love for your football club is deep and absolute – going to the Sports Direct Arena doesn’t make you MORE in love than the next person, or a better fan; be comfortable that YOU know how deeply you care for the rich and deep history of the club. But Mike Ashley is not Newcastle, He is a black hole in this club’s history; when books are written, his entire ownership should be scratched from the record, his name should be alongside Lord Voldemort, Beetlejuice or Candyman as a name you shouldn’t utter in your darkest nightmares. He’s a bully, and should be ignored. He’s nothing to you, or me, but a reflection of the horrific nature of football’s money – he’s up there with Blatter, Platini, Oyston and Bates as a travesty of humanity.

    But you cannot spend your life fretting or moaning; he’s laughing at it, if he cares at all. Ignore him, at all costs, ignore everything about him. Maybe even smile, or laugh, at him and his petty ways. Don’t let him get to you, don’t let him bother you, he’s nothing. He’s worthless, he’s pointless, he’s reviled and hated everywhere. He knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. He will die, sad and pathetic, in a swimming pool of money from a young age when Karma catches up. But for now, for your own sake, ignore. And then, maybe, the bullying might stop.

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  • magscar

    Jun 25, 2019 at 3:05 PM

    Comment #67

    Started musing over what might be if no Rafa and no takeover – would I prefer a Pulis/Monk type who will bumble along with possibly player unrest and fans increasingly turning on them as we head to a 3rd relegation or a ?????? type – can’t think of anyone actually but you get the picture.

    In this scenario however they build on all Rafa’s good work, get money chucked at them ala McClaren , but spend well and we are on tails of top 6 all season with fan’s remembering Rafa with affection but moving on in time honoured “King is dead Long live the King” fashion.

    Hmmm difficult but would first scenario get rid of Ashley sooner or propel us into another relegation/promotion cycle. Second may be like when Rafa arrived but might see us in few years going through present crisis.

    Tough choice and I don’t now if latter would be best lots of joy but no success followed by pain ( some might say a typical NUFC fan life cycle).

    On balance as first scenario has proven not to get rid of him tips me to second .

    What my musing does tell me quite emphatically is we need this sale to go through !!

    C’mon BZG make an offer even he can’t refuse

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  • Diddly

    Jun 25, 2019 at 3:08 PM

    Comment #68

    2 days ago we had a world class manager now we are linked with the same dross as Derby. Come on BZG get this done.

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  • Tony Baloney

    Jun 25, 2019 at 3:09 PM

    Comment #69

    The win predictor at 26-3 has England at 39%. I think they need a new computer.

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  • geordietom

    Jun 25, 2019 at 3:10 PM

    Comment #70

    jail …

    when did you buy shares for this blog ?…

    jail YDYFO…

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  • geordietom

    Jun 25, 2019 at 3:13 PM

    Comment #71

    JAIL… defender of the blog ..
    .i dont get who you think you are MIKE ASHLEY by any chance…

    JAIL are you a sparky … not mark hughes by chance …

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  • Toon Cat

    Jun 25, 2019 at 3:14 PM

    Comment #72

    article 8n the Echo about the complete lack of footballing knowledge in those running nufc ..

    https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/17728494.mike-ashleys-newcastle-suffer-from-lack-of-football-knowledge/?ref=mac

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Jun 25, 2019 at 3:15 PM

    Comment #73

    magscar,
    If this takeover doesn’t happen I’d prefer they brought in someone that will face the fans fury rather than persuading CH to come back as the fans would feel compelled to back him. I honestly can’t see a way out of his stranglehold unless we hit rock bottom.

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  • geordietom

    Jun 25, 2019 at 3:16 PM

    Comment #74

    jail . i bet you only eat the sourest sweets you can find …

    or do you eat SAUERKRAUT.

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Jun 25, 2019 at 3:16 PM

    Comment #75

    geordietom,
    Stop getting so personal, you have an unhealthy obsession with toon22 and I’m just pointing that out.

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  • magscar

    Jun 25, 2019 at 3:18 PM

    Comment #76

    Chancel

    Re Magpie Group meeting I can only recall Optimistc (Panda as was) going to the first meeting last Autumn (?) as work allowed him. No other reportson Blog as far as I remember but could be wrong.

    Be good if other “local” fans who can manage to go do especially former ST holders and give us a report back

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  • geordietom

    Jun 25, 2019 at 3:20 PM

    Comment #77

    JAIL …

    really its not your job to point that out to me is it ?

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  • RobLeenio

    Jun 25, 2019 at 3:20 PM

    Comment #78

    Why do they always schedule the Magpie Group meetings for when I’m busy?
    🙁

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  • Foggy Hall to Timbuktu

    Jun 25, 2019 at 3:21 PM

    Comment #79

    Magscar, im new on here. Im going to try and make it for their meeting. Family/ work depending.
    Hopefully the meeting is cancelled because we have new owners!
    Will report back if i do.

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  • Toonces

    Jun 25, 2019 at 3:23 PM

    Comment #80

    Crawford @ 16

    Interesting tact to approach Sky but the contract for TV money is between Sky and the Premier League. The PL would have the largest objection to seeing the money they are negotiating and bringing in to the league only to see Ashley use it for purposes outside of football – should that be provable. Sky will only be concerned if their ratings are poor, which would then lead to them losing money and deciding to televise fewer Newcastle matches. Thereby newcastle would lose money for the televised games portion but they still get the vast majority of their PL share from just being in the league.

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