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Will O’Neill Sacking Lead To Newcastle Interest?


Martin O’Neill has just been sacked by Nottingham Forest according to The Guardian.

This comes just a week after Roy Keane resigned as assistant manager.

The report states that O’Neill was let go due to player concerns about his management. He had only just been appointed five months ago.

The sixty-seven-year-old played for Nottingham Forest under the great Brian Clough when they won their back to back European Cups in 1979 and 1980.

O’Neill is the epitome of the type of manager that we fear Ashley will appoint – a retread manager who is now in the twilight of his career.

We are impressed with the potential of Patrick Vieira and Sergio Conceicao, and hope that they will be under serious consideration.

We will probably now hear a lot about Martin O’Neill being in contention for the Newcastle job but we highly doubt that will happen.

We, however, would put nothing past Mike Ashley.


71 comments so far

  • Captain AmeriMag

    Jun 28, 2019 at 2:27 PM

    Comment #41

    Don’t have to ask me twice Foggy, I’m believing with you mate!!

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  • Sheikh-en but not stirred

    Jun 28, 2019 at 2:27 PM

    Comment #42

    @bills

    The 2 week deadline was paper talk and no official release? Correct??

    The BZG statements were officially from them?? Correct?

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  • hibbit

    Jun 28, 2019 at 2:27 PM

    Comment #43

    IrishRob

    if BZG fail it’s going to be a massive loss of face for such a prominent company in the gulf (maybe not here) defiantly not the way a company from that region operates particularly a one with royal connections

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  • Kamakazeee

    Jun 28, 2019 at 2:29 PM

    Comment #44

    Mike Ashley has to provide the paperwork for the FA to conduct their tests. He would hardly do that if he hadn’t seen proof of funds.

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  • Bills Son Is Back

    Jun 28, 2019 at 2:30 PM

    Comment #45

    JDubai, Simple law of averages would say that some of the parties in the past few years would have done this, its not possible that every one of them are just tyre kickers without the money.

    My answer – Barry Moat, Staveley and Kenyon are the only three ‘buyers’ who have declared any interest.

    NOT ONE OF THEM had any where near enough of their own money to buy the club.

    All three were fronts for consortiums which can be akin to herding cats.

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  • Moonraker15

    Jun 28, 2019 at 2:31 PM

    Comment #46

    The real problem in selling the club, is Ashley’s valuation of £350 million. It should be £250 million but Ashley cocked up the purchase by not doing due diligence (find that hard to believe like) and having to fork out another £100 million to cover a debt, which he says was a loan!
    Now if you buy something you buy all assets and all debts, so the debt is his, but his original valuation of the club was £135 million. Would he ever have offered £235 million to Hall and Shepherd? He’s had the fckin loan back 5 times over so now he’s using the high price to put off potential buyers.
    Why doesn’t he consider an investor buying, say 30%?
    Anyway as I’ve stated if Ashley stays with no Rafa I’m out!

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  • IrishRob

    Jun 28, 2019 at 2:31 PM

    Comment #47

    Toonrich, but there is no confirmation anything has ever been sent to the FA though, thsts my point.

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  • Tsunki

    Jun 28, 2019 at 2:32 PM

    Comment #48

    Let’s just talk about this virtual elephant filling up the room here for a minute…. 🙂

    I made a point some time back that this BZG group making announcements about things that patently aren’t happening was at best highly unprofessional and presumptuous but more likely a load of made up hogwash.

    It appears what nobody wants to face up to is the veracity of the Frogs argument, that there never was an offer, no preliminaries, no application to the governing bodies, nothing. All the “ITK” stuff was just lies, self promotion, and hoax. And the vast majority of us swallowed down our dreams. This is the reality of it, we’ve been had. We have plenty of room for assuming it all started as a practical joke, or humbling as it can be, something started by Ashley’s camp to take heat off what they were about to do. Wouldn’t it be awful – admitting the naysayers were right?

    This is the nurse gently tapping your hand and saying “wake up”. The nice dream is over it’s time to come around and deal with the fact you’ve just had a major organ carved out of your body.

    😐

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  • Captain AmeriMag

    Jun 28, 2019 at 2:33 PM

    Comment #49

    The FA statement “it’s not up to us to declare it’s up to the club” or words to that effect read very much as a confirmation to me

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  • Bills Son Is Back

    Jun 28, 2019 at 2:33 PM

    Comment #50

    Sheikh-en but not stirred,

    Correct.

    But… my point is that if a manager of that ilk is appointed before a takeover my bet is the takeover won’t happen and the new manager will know it’s off.

    Why else would they sign?

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  • Tony Baloney

    Jun 28, 2019 at 2:34 PM

    Comment #51

    People have made some sweeping statements on here about an imminent takeover. Some even giving specific dates and specific contacts they had got the information from. Where do we stand with any/all of these speculations that were often put forward as facts. DubaiMicky, Bambams where are we? Mund, Elmanio the same? You were all quite happy to give us the rumours, can we have some follow up? The silence is deafening at the moment.

    Not accusing anybody of making things up. Perhaps faulty sources, but you can’t just come on and be so sure and adamant and then disappear when it doesn’t work out. There has to be some explanation, some accountability.

    Maybe not.

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  • fairscup

    Jun 28, 2019 at 2:34 PM

    Comment #52

    chancel be a fine thing – how did you pay for streaming as it says India based credit cards only?

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  • Captain AmeriMag

    Jun 28, 2019 at 2:35 PM

    Comment #53

    What possible reason would a multi billion pound international corporation have to make up statements like that?? You think they’re Ashley’s bitches too?
    Kenyon or Staveley granted but not these guys

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  • Toon Cat

    Jun 28, 2019 at 2:35 PM

    Comment #54

    So if the takeover founders on the rocks of Ashley’s greed and stubborness (again) and he’s still the owner next season what can any new manager, regardless of how experienced or skilled or enthusiastic they are, expect ?

    Well, a club with no ambition to compete for a start. Survival at the lowest cost is all that’ll be required and forget about winning a cup. They’ll have to battle with the same opaque, confused, dysfunctional transfer process and accept players bought for business rather than footballing reasons. They’ll no doubt receive promises and those promises will be broken. The resentment and anger fans feel towards Ashley may well poison any relationship with a new manager and make his job more difficult. There will be constant uncertainty with the club always being ‘up for sale’ hanging over everything like a cloud of chaos. It’ll be a grim, soul-destroying experience for anyone who has even a shred of ambition or professional pride.

    I suppose there’ll be some who’ll simply come for the money and others who’ll put up with anything, however bad, just to manage in the premiership but it’s hard to see why any top class manager would bother. As long as Ashley is there, for managers, players and above all fans .. what is the point ?

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  • Sheikh-en but not stirred

    Jun 28, 2019 at 2:38 PM

    Comment #55

    @bills..

    I actually agree about a manager signing on permanent… If and when it happens my opinion would be there is no takeover! But that is a horrible scenario for the club

    But on your other point…. I believe BZG so if this takeover doesn’t happen it’s solely the fault of Jabba!! No one else

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  • hibbit

    Jun 28, 2019 at 2:40 PM

    Comment #56

    no takeover then we’ll start the season with Neil Redfearn as manager a very inspiring thought

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  • IrishRob

    Jun 28, 2019 at 2:40 PM

    Comment #57

    Hibbit….. I’m not so sure it would, Kenyon and stavely have not lost face really, they will still get jobs elsewhere down the line. I’m not too sure and it actually could be an advantage to them to create a fakeover. Look at the worldwide publicity its garnered for them already And they already know that no matter what happens Ashley will come out looking like the villain even if it was all a publicity stunt.

    So in my opinion I 100% dont think in this circumstance they would be worried about loosing face.

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  • Tony Baloney

    Jun 28, 2019 at 2:42 PM

    Comment #58

    Tsunki: If froggy would stop calling everybody shills he might actually get some traction on his main point that the takeover is a headfake. All of the Hiya KBA distracts from this. He actually can get into a meaningful discussion but this is hidden most of the time with the Hiya KBA. He calls me a shill and I don’t think I have ever had a good word to say about Fat Man on here.

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  • Tony Baloney

    Jun 28, 2019 at 2:43 PM

    Comment #59

    My point about ITKs is if you are going to say it then be prepared to back it up and take ownership of what you said later.

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  • Bills Son Is Back

    Jun 28, 2019 at 2:43 PM

    Comment #60

    CaptainAmerimag, What possible reason would a multi billion pound international corporation have to make up statements like that?? You think they’re Ashley’s bitches too?

    I’m not saying they have made up statements, just jumped the gun.

    A simple statement from BZG now to say “Despite speculation and the situation with Rafa Benitez we remain committed to the purchase of NUFC and expect the takeover to be completed within XXXXXX time”.

    They’ve made statements before (despite rumoured NDA’s) so why aren’t they stopping the speculation and unrest now?

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  • Tony Baloney

    Jun 28, 2019 at 2:48 PM

    Comment #61

    Toon Cat:

    Gerrard will have more money at NUFC than he will see in the foreseeable future at Rangers.

    NUFC are a much bigger club than Nice, although I wouldn’t blame Viera for staying on the Riviera.

    To get your first Managerial job at NUFC would be difficult to turn down for Arteta. Time to step out of Pep’s shadow. Some say he is being groomed to take over from Pep though.

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  • IrishRob

    Jun 28, 2019 at 2:49 PM

    Comment #62

    Captain Amerimag…. That’s you’re problem. Your basing things on presumption instead of facts. What the FA said means nothing, and it certainly doesn’t mean they had paperwork sent to them.

    I keep saying it, but there has been no proof ANYTHING has been sent to the FA, and the one thing Ashley has cone out and said might confirm this, when he said he hasn’t received proof of funds.

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  • posada

    Jun 28, 2019 at 2:49 PM

    Comment #63

    Hibbit
    Merlin Entertainments.
    Someone may have mentioned this 13 months ago. Someone always does. One fella even predicted the financial crash, but everyone else thought he was mad.

    As far as I know there has been no great speculation in the financial press about this company. Over the last year they have not had great results. Many stock brokers advised folks to sell these shares. The share price was not doing great.

    Then they are bought out at a premium.
    Their price is up and so are other shares with a similar profile.

    I’m not saying this has happened overnight. Professional people with ethics and the ability to do business in confidence have probably worked on it for months.

    No hype, no wild speculation.
    Also, the scale of it 4.8 Billion.

    I suppose JIB will say he knew all about it.
    Well, he should have made a few quid if he did.

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  • Bills Son Is Back

    Jun 28, 2019 at 2:50 PM

    Comment #64

    Sheikh-en but not stirred, But on your other point…. I believe BZG so if this takeover doesn’t happen it’s solely the fault of Jabba!! No one else.

    If that turns out to be true I’ll be there with the rest screaming SJP down against him at the Arsenal game.

    But if BZG are to blame I doubt that any of those currently screaming at Ashley will in anyway say they were wrong. It is that attitude that makes many sensible discussions on this blog impossible.

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  • IrishRob

    Jun 28, 2019 at 2:51 PM

    Comment #65

    Captain Amerimag…. the biggest reason of them all. PUBLICITY! why would they want publicity atm idk, ho ask them. But let’s not pretend they haven’t got a myriad of reasons to lie.

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  • Toon Cat

    Jun 28, 2019 at 2:51 PM

    Comment #66

    Ashley’s PR always swings into action to smear and trash anyone he’s at odds with and paint him as the innocent victim. No doubt he’ll try that with the BZ Group if the takeover falls through.

    He certainly did it to Staveley, to the extent that people routinely dismiss her as a ‘time-waster’ and ‘tyre-kicker’ now. George Caulkin, who is generally trusted on NUFC reporting, talked to her at length and confirmed her takeover intentions were genuine and that she had made three separate, genuine and fair bids to Ashley (£250m no strings – £300 and £350m with various conditions attached) at a time when conditions were essential because of the risk of relegation. Ashley simply wasn’t interested in selling. He was the one who walked away from that, leaving a trail of insults and smear-tactics behind him.

    So I don’t think it’s true that there have never been any willing or credible buyers for the club. I do think there’s never been a willing seller. or at best a horrifically difficult, dishonest, and unpredictable one.

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  • Bills Son Is Back

    Jun 28, 2019 at 2:56 PM

    Comment #67

    Sheikh-en but not stirred, But on your other point…. I believe BZG so if this takeover doesn’t happen it’s solely the fault of Jabba!! No one else.

    You do realise that you’ve accused me of making opinions facts (which I defo have not) yet you say “I believe BZG” (opinion) then say “so if this takeover doesn’t happen it’s solely the fault of Jabba!!”

    So, in other words, whoever’s fault it is Jabba is to blame!

    Yep, the pot calling the kettle black in no uncertain terms there bonny lad.

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  • Toon Cat

    Jun 28, 2019 at 3:02 PM

    Comment #68

    Here’s an interesting article from the time when Ashley pulled out of the Staveley negotiations. It details the three bids her consortium made.

    https://cominghomenewcastle.sbnation.com/2018/1/19/16901962/mike-ashley-amanda-staveley-newcastle-united

    In 12 years and counting, with the club almost constantly up for sale, every prospective buyer has been a chancer or time-waster according to Ashley. It’s never him. And yet he’s the one constant in every failure.

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  • Sheikh-en but not stirred

    Jun 28, 2019 at 3:03 PM

    Comment #69

    @bills

    My opinion is based on the fact that a well respected, successful business has made 2 statements…..

    Have they made 2 statements??? YES…. They are the facts I’m talking about

    You are using baseless rumours in the media? No statement provided???

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  • Bills Son Is Back

    Jun 28, 2019 at 3:04 PM

    Comment #70

    RobLeenio, BTW, I coined the term ‘sheikhover’. It was meant as a positive, the counter to a ‘fakeover’, not a synonym. Please don’t corrupt it.

    Dear oh dear me.

    YOU are the one of one who coined sheikhover?

    Really?? No one had EVER thought of that before and now it can ONLY be used in the context YOU want??

    Errr, not really bonny lad.

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  • Bills Son Is Back

    Jun 28, 2019 at 3:09 PM

    Comment #71

    Sheikh-en but not stirred,

    One more time… read slowly… and see if you get it this time.

    I don’t believe the two week BZG deadline is gospel – I’m saying IF we appoint a manager of the likes or Gerrard or Arteta during that time, or before a takeover, no way would they leave a secure job to be possibly dumped on the first day by BZG. Ashley will tell them a takeover ain’t happening anytime soon.

    So, we MIGHT find out in the next 2/3 weeks by default that the takeover is off.

    NOW do you get it?

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