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Ashley To Go Back In Time – Failed Policies Back In Vogue – How Can We Ever Succeed?



From what we are being told in the local papers Newcastle will go back in time to adopt the head coach role – that’s the way the club was run before Rafa came in and made all the right changes at the club – but now he is gone – forever.

So the powers that be – those football brains like Mike Ashley and Lee Charnley – have decided in their wisdom – to revert back to their old model – which has never ever been successful.

But that system allowed them to fiddle with things and control the transfers about who comes into the club – and it will again be players under 26.

The head coach will have even less say than Rafa did – which seems to be what Ashley wants – he wants to continue to retain a tight financial hold on the club and ensure we cannot become a successful club under his disastrous reign.

Costs too much of the club’s money?

The problem with buying young players in the past is that we have lacked real experience in the team and we keep waiting for the young players to blossom, and few of them have ever done that.

If only Rafa could have stayed, we could have moved forward, and Rafa would have had more money to spend this season than ever before under the miserly owner.

But that’s now water under Tyne bridge, and we are currently looking for someone to take over from the great Rafa Benitez – a thankless task indeed.

I will never forgive Mike Ashley for the stupidity and ego he has shown in letting Rafa Benitez leave the club.

We wanted to keep Rafa and have the owner leave the club, so air could be breathed back into the club.

Unfortunately, it now is on life-support with the clowns still in charge of the club.

Mike Ashley – miserly owner to return to his former system

Remember where we were four years ago – Steve McClaren had taken over from caretaker manager John Carver, and the club (not McClaren) brought in the players they wanted.

We spent quite a bit of money that summer.

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We ended up being relegated in May 2016 because basically the man Lee Charnley selected as the next manager – Steve McClaren – didn’t have a clue and was over his head from the first game on.

He had been fired from Championship club Derby County about two weeks before Charnley appointed him as “the perfect coach for Newcastle” – his words – not mine.

Not many managers get such a quick promotion for doing such a poor job in their previous assignment – only at Newcastle.

And with silence on the takeover front over the last few weeks and competing narratives from the club and BZG about what the truth is about any potential takeover – the bet is that Ashley has decided not to sell.

What – again?

And he cannot complain this time about not getting a decent bid with the local journalists explaining that while a fee of £350M has been agreed with Ashley – no formal bid for that amount has been made.

The question we would have there is – why not?

So Ashley cannot say he didn’t get a reasonable offer this time – and it will be interesting what excuse he makes this time around.

Maybe he should just tell the truth and say he doesn’t want to sell the club and then the local journalists from reporting the opposite is true.

One school of thought it that Ashley has never changed his mind and has never really wanted to sell and lose that word-wide publicity for his Sports Direct business.

My view on this is that he has crossed a red line this time by pushing out one of the best managers we have ever had in Rafa  Benitez – and certainly one of the most popular.

There’s no way this man can retain control of Newcastle, and he must now sell.

Somehow the fans have to force the man out – and we realize that’s much easier said than done – given our past experience in trying to get rid of him.

Ashley’s a drain on the space at Newcastle United, and he has no ambition for the club – other than to hang on to a Premier League place while spending as little money as he can.

He has to go.

Comments always welcome.


82 comments so far

  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Jul 6, 2019 at 4:06 PM

    Comment #41

    Magscar,
    Unless you are of an extreme side of the fence, then I think everyone’s thinking is muddled. It would be impossible not to be given the state of limbo, the lack of information, and the seeming lack of urgency to resolve anything.

    I don’t know whether the takeover will go ahead, but there is a weird air to it all, that almost seems surreal.

    Something has to give soon, but I think I probably first said something like that a few weeks ago, and all we’ve had is the situation drift even further away from rational explanations and reasoning.

    One thing that hasn’t been mentioned, is that the longer this carries on, the more desperate the situation, and attempting to recover to a reasonable level become. If there isn’t a takeover, the idea of clubs knowing we are desperate, is going to make transfers even harder as clubs will bump there demands.

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  • captainmarvel

    Jul 6, 2019 at 4:09 PM

    Comment #42

    Head coach nope Churnley putting low bids in for players means more Joseloos a rag bag of players will never gel into a team..You have to find another Benitez like manager who can put a team together that works otherwise it’s doon the plughole…

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  • Toon222

    Jul 6, 2019 at 4:11 PM

    Comment #43

    Jib

    We all kno on here wot u are

    Hiya Justin Barnes

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  • lesh

    Jul 6, 2019 at 4:15 PM

    Comment #44

    With all this stuff coming out of the Chronic, it suggests to me that Ashley’s got Bishop feeding it tales of no bid, no proof of funds, Charnley travelling Europe sourcing potential replacement for Rafa and new players and the latest – reverting to his failed attempt to install a Head Coach role but no mention of a DoF! Charnley scouting Europe? He couldn’t find his way to SJP on the Metro system.

    But why would he do that? Could he be bluffing and trying to force BZG’s hand by suggesting it’s business as usual and he’s ready to call an end to his latest farce? Worryingly, he really could he be ready to call an end to it and implement his plans.

    He’s skating on thin ice trying to force BZG’s hand when there’s plenty more clubs around. And if the football-ignorant clown does pull the plug, he should just talk to the EPL and Championship and arrange a fast-track relegation to to division three, hand SJP back to the Freemen and sling his dirty greedy hook.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Jul 6, 2019 at 4:21 PM

    Comment #45

    When was it Ashley was rumoured to have said 2 weeks? It feels like 2 weeks ago, but don’t know if the dearth of anything just makes it feel like 2 weeks.

    I’ve read of the period of mourning, but is it seriously to the point where statements are held back and business isn’t conducted? Surely the alleged statement could have still been released? I know some are thinking the lack of statement is a positive thing that it is still ongoing, but I think that whether it goes through (preferable) or it is off, we need clarity so we can move forward, one way or the other.

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  • lesh

    Jul 6, 2019 at 4:24 PM

    Comment #46

    Oh, I forgot to mention that the players are ‘quite relaxed’ about the lack of a decent manager.

    Can they really have faith in Ashley? No chance.

    Would they say anything else? Nope.

    Will they be motivated to work their socks of for Rafa’s replacement? As much as they can be and want to.

    Will we be staring relegation in the face before Christmas? Probably.

    Welcome to Ashley’s pantomime – the trouble is that under his ownership, the pantomime season lasts 52 weeks a year!

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Jul 6, 2019 at 4:25 PM

    Comment #48

    What did Nolan say btw? Seems very odd if he was in defence of Ashley, he always seemed against the Ashley regime (as much as he could) when he was here. Maybe that was just us fans seeing what we wanted to I guess.

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  • Jib

    Jul 6, 2019 at 4:25 PM

    Comment #49

    I think the lack of clarity is that we are into the endgame
    and Ashley is in f**k you mode with the supporters

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  • droppy in Wallsend

    Jul 6, 2019 at 4:26 PM

    Comment #50

    But looking on the bright side…….

    Nah I’ve got nothing.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Jul 6, 2019 at 4:27 PM

    Comment #52

    Ron,
    Thanks. So we are about 10 days down. 4 days to go. Not that I’m convinced the journalist has much insight into it.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Jul 6, 2019 at 4:32 PM

    Comment #53

    Jib,
    Hadn’t realised he had come out of that mode in the last decade….

    The lack of clarity could be pointing to the end game. Charley, as someone said, could have been in Europe negotiating on behalf of the new owners (and I expect his future employers, albeit temporarily during transition). It is the most logical conclusion, even if it is difficult to believe in for many.

    It could well be that staff and player signings are all concluded and will be announced alongside the sale being completed and announced. They’ve done very well to keep the gossip to a minimum of that were to prove correct.

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  • clinath@ed

    Jul 6, 2019 at 4:37 PM

    Comment #54

    Ashley has pocketed(?) £100M+ for surviving relegation this season, even if relegated, he will get a further £100M next year followed by a further £75M(?) parachute the year after.
    So even in the championship the club would still be worth £200M+…..?

    That gives a possible earnings of over £400M if he just hangs in there and does FA….

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  • Ron Knee

    Jul 6, 2019 at 4:40 PM

    Comment #55

    “Charnley, as someone said, could have been in Europe negotiating on behalf of the new owners…”

    More likely desperately scrabbling around on behalf of Ashley, Lilo. But we shall see.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Jul 6, 2019 at 4:42 PM

    Comment #56

    Thanks Jib.

    That is a really strange interview from Nolan. ‘You can’t fault him’. Well…..
    ‘I know (paraphrased slightly, he may have said I’m sure?) Mike will give that 30million to the new manager to invest/spend’ Would have been good if they had then asked him about the Andy Carroll transfer fee…..

    He can’t be looking for a job, surely? Certainly not if he truly believes ‘Mike’s wants to sell?

    He’s torn between owner and fans? Well Kev, I think that interview will mean the fans would be quite happy to cut you loose, obviously for your own good so you don’t feel torn…..

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Jul 6, 2019 at 4:45 PM

    Comment #57

    Ron,
    I was just running with Jibs suggestion the lack of clarity means we are possibly in the end game, and I remember someone had suggested that as a possibility for what Charley was doing. I’m struggling to come up with any facts that would back up the theory.

    Where in Europe was he? Surely if they know he was in Europe, they must have an idea where he was flying to/from?

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  • clinath@ed

    Jul 6, 2019 at 4:46 PM

    Comment #58

    Like a lot of pundits when asked about us, Nolan appears to have no idea of the facts surrounding our state of affairs.

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  • toon kk

    Jul 6, 2019 at 4:46 PM

    Comment #59

    I honestly think the potential sale is a 99% scam.. The other 1% if there is a sale in the pipeline MA will be cashing in his most valuable players before the sale goes through.
    He’s too greedy to leave them behind.

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  • the white tino

    Jul 6, 2019 at 4:47 PM

    Comment #60

    Clinath@ed exactly why we have to do everything we can to get rid of the parasite, boycott, demenstrations anything and everything to make it uncomfortable for him to own us

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  • clinath@ed

    Jul 6, 2019 at 4:50 PM

    Comment #61

    Can’t argue with that Tino

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  • lesh

    Jul 6, 2019 at 4:50 PM

    Comment #62

    Lili @53

    I’d seriously question whether Charmless has been any further than SJP.

    As far as being away on behalf of a new owner, unless the deal is finalised, I don’t honestly think they’d trust him to go to shops. Even then and given his seeming loyalty to Ashley I suspect they’d watch him like a hawk.

    We’re all clutching at straws in hope but the comfort we can draw from the comments attributed to sources in the club via the Chronic are conditioning us for news of a no sale.

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  • Ron Knee

    Jul 6, 2019 at 4:54 PM

    Comment #63

    Lilo

    Top secret. Need to know.

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  • #boycott Arsenal

    Jul 6, 2019 at 4:54 PM

    Comment #64

    Lilongwe,
    It was a sickening betrayal from Nolan, I can’t get my head around it.

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  • lesh

    Jul 6, 2019 at 4:55 PM

    Comment #65

    Lili

    You were running with Jibs suggestion? Shirley (:)) you’ve been around long enough to know that he talks tripe.

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  • toon kk

    Jul 6, 2019 at 4:56 PM

    Comment #66

    Nolan has been given a big back hander at some point.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Jul 6, 2019 at 4:56 PM

    Comment #67

    Lesh,
    Do you think Charley is loyal to Ashley? I don’t see anything suggesting he is or isn’t, but I think there is a fair argument to the idea that he isn’t loyal to Ashley, but is loyal to whoever is paying him to do a job that he seemed to fall into by lack of options. Given he is the only senior ‘official’ employee at the club, I’d be surprised if the new owners weren’t willing to keep him, albeit I’d expect briefly, while they got their feet under the table.

    If there are new owners, and they wanted to have plans in place in advance, he is the only person that is really in a position to negotiate on the clubs behalf….

    As I said before, I’d say that I’m sceptical of this, but I’m just looking at it from a slightly different angle, because there is little else to say that hasn’t been said ad nauseam.

    A decision needs to be made ASAP, one way or the other, so we as fans can set plans in place, or the club can start to rebuild under new owners.

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  • lesh

    Jul 6, 2019 at 5:00 PM

    Comment #68

    Jail

    Nolan’s joined the aspiring Prem manager class and’ll be looking for a job now that he’s realised how Ashley’s mode of ownership is the right one and all other owners have got it wrong!.

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  • clinath@ed

    Jul 6, 2019 at 5:00 PM

    Comment #69

    That’s true Lilongwe, he is in fact a NUFC employee, not an Ashley one. Even if we’re sold he stays put, for a while anyway…

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Jul 6, 2019 at 5:01 PM

    Comment #70

    Jail,
    Yeah, he always felt like one of us, so to talk like that…. Well, I just can’t really explain it. I doubt Nolan needs a financial back hander to say what he did.

    It would have to be very sizeable I’d imagine, and I can’t believe that Ashley and KBA would deem it a financially sound investment to pay what would be required.

    Unless Charley was actually returning with some pure grade a, then I can’t see what Nolan could have been offered for him to sell out. That then leaves the thought that he actually said what he truly thought, which is even more galling.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Jul 6, 2019 at 5:04 PM

    Comment #71

    Ron,
    Can you get his mrs drunk so she spills the beans. If you need to go the extra mile and find out over pillow talk, then I feel for you, but know that it is for the greater good!

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  • lesh

    Jul 6, 2019 at 5:05 PM

    Comment #72

    Lil

    I do think his loyalty is to Ashley and yes, he could be doing what he’s paid to do. Ordinarily a good quality in an employee but would that plaudit extend to uttering lies and half truths on behalf of his employer. Was he doing what he was paid to do in dishonouring commitments to the Fans Forum? That isn’t loyalty, it’s blind subservience.

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  • droppy in Wallsend

    Jul 6, 2019 at 5:05 PM

    Comment #73

    Is Charnley loyal to the Tapeworm?

    He’s employed by the club but wasn’t he supposedly a lifelong fan and former ST holder.

    If it was me then no amount of money would keep me there, so yeah for me he’s loyal to him.

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  • Jib

    Jul 6, 2019 at 5:11 PM

    Comment #74

    All the folk that have attended fans forum have said
    Charnley is a surprisingly good speaker and told them
    stuff off the record that was refreshingly frank.
    Diplomacy and discretion are often mistaken by fools
    as half – truths and lies.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Jul 6, 2019 at 5:12 PM

    Comment #75

    Droppy,
    He has been overpromoted and is I’ll qualified for the role. Charnley will know that he isn’t really suitable to perform the role there, or anywhere else, and has been over promoted dude to proximity rather than ability. If he were to walk on principal, he would struggle to get any sort of similar role in football, or the majority of industries, and certainly not at his paygrade.

    I do agree that if he was well qualified, competent and had a spine, then he could be argued as loyal to Ashley, as he could walk on principal in the knowledge he is capable of getting a similar level role.

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  • #boycott Arsenal

    Jul 6, 2019 at 5:12 PM

    Comment #76

    Maybe a Manila envelope from one of Mike’s parties was used against him.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Jul 6, 2019 at 5:26 PM

    Comment #77

    Lesh,
    Half truths and lies – I think it is very naive of anyone to think that all employees in these sorts of roles don’t use a fair bit of double speak or half truths. It would be refreshing to see someone who didn’t, but that trait probably would have prevented you climbing the corporate ladder to start with.

    Charnley didn’t even really climb, just everyone else left leaving him at the top, unqualified and in the deep end.

    He may well be loyal to Ashley, but there is nothing to suggest he is any more loyal to Ashley than the next person willing to pay him for it. He is just as likely to be loyal to his bank balance, his ego and the position as he is to Ashley.

    He seems fairly sycophantic, so do you really believe he wouldn’t suck up to potential new employees if it meant keeping his job?

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  • #boycott Arsenal

    Jul 6, 2019 at 5:28 PM

    Comment #78

    I honestly think that they think they know what they’re doing and are going to try and wing it with a Pardew rather than a McLaren, if they find the right man they think they’ll get another good few seasons just avoiding the drop while he fills his pockets. I honestly don’t think this group of fighters will put up with it and will want away or completely lose heart, we’re footed if a takeover doesn’t happen.

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  • clinath@ed

    Jul 6, 2019 at 5:28 PM

    Comment #79

    Any new owner would still like continuity for a short while, at least until a new executive team can be put together

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  • lesh

    Jul 6, 2019 at 7:23 PM

    Comment #80

    Lilo

    Yes, anyone in Charnley’s position would do what he thinks is required to keep his job post Ashley. But whether a new employee would retain him as MD’s another matter – he’s probably not up to the MD role as we understand it. He’s seems to have been nothing more than Ashley’s gopher, doing as he’s told.

    However, if I were buying the club, I’d retain him in some admin/ company secretary type of role as he has the inside knowledge of the club and dealing with transfers. But as MD with the expectation that he define and manage policy and strategy, I’d say no.

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