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Report – Club Want To Bring Carroll Back But Steve Bruce Wants Two Other Strikers First



We’ve been waiting for it to happen and have been hesitant to suggest it. In fact, I mentioned it to my wife just this morning.

Now Luke Edwards of the Telegraph and Lee Ryder of the Chronicle are both reporting that Andy Carroll is wanted back at Newcastle.

Luke Edwards’ report has some interesting details that this may not be driven by Steve Bruce. Here is some of what Luke has written about the news of Andy Carroll:

Newcastle United are contemplating bringing striker Andy Carroll back home as they close in on the £35m capture of Hoffenheim’s Brazilian striker Joelinton.

The club are already in touch with the Carroll camp following his release by West Ham and will keep a close eye on his recovery from ankle surgery before deciding whether to sign him as a free agent.

Carroll, meanwhile, is not a priority for new manager Steve Bruce, who privately wants at least two strikers, a winger, a full-back and a central midfield player before the close of the transfer window.

Carroll would be an additional transfer outside of the window as he is allowed to find a new club as a free agent. However, it will still be several weeks until the 30-year-old is able to train fully and Bruce wants two strikers brought in before then.

Carroll has had a persistent battle with injuries and has undergone a complicated procedure to try and solve a long-standing ankle issue. Newcastle will keep tabs on his rehabilitation and could look at thrashing out a pay as you play deal for the Geordie striker.

If this is the case then we are all for it. As long as Andy is not going to be relied upon, then we see no harm in bringing him back to the club as maybe a third striker signing.

We don’t think it really matters how fit he gets as he is always going to be likely to break down. Therefore, if it was just Joelinton and Andy Carroll we would be a bit concerned.

However, Luke Edwards is reporting that Steve Bruce wants two strikers brought in and then will assess Andy Carroll once he is declared fit.

Lee Ryder also speaks of Carroll’s fitness as being key. He however is reporting that Bruce is an admirer of Andy and has already made checks on his fitness.

This is what Lee writes:

The Chronicle understands Bruce is an admirer of Carroll but wants him to prove his fitness.

The newly appointed head coach has already made checks on Carroll’s fitness status with the big striker still recovering from an ankle operation.

Carroll has not made a decision on his future yet but has had offers from abroad.

However, the boyhood Toon fan and former season ticket holder would be interested in a chance to finish his career at home.

This link was bound to happen sooner than later and the hiring of Steve Bruce will have only expedited the link. Andy has had a torrid time with injuries throughout his career and at 30 years old may not have much left to give.

We would like to think that playing in front of the crowd at St James Park could bring that little bit extra out of Andy. As a late-game substitute, he could really cause issues for the opposition.

This could be a decent piece of business as long as Andy Carroll is not going to be relied upon to lead the line.


190 comments so far

  • NY Mag

    Jul 20, 2019 at 8:12 PM

    Comment #161

    Chico,

    Fair comment, and if Charnley or Ashley were doing the books by themselves on their laptops, then I’d agree.
    But, there would have to be quite a few people complicit in any shenanigans.

    Also, while detailed financial data does not have to be disclosed in public, the EPL requires detailed finances for inspection.

    We’ve also been under investigation by HMRC for over two years and so far nothing.

    Having said all of that. Could there be something dodgy going on – of course there could be.

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  • toon kk

    Jul 20, 2019 at 8:16 PM

    Comment #162

    MA only invests if there’s a real threat of relegation. Its still a gamble with the bare minimum. He obviously thought Rafa was enough to keep us up alone.

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  • Scythe For Bruce

    Jul 20, 2019 at 8:19 PM

    Comment #163

    For those of you who aren’t aware, Ketsbaia’s ‘thing’ is to post his wishlists of players and who we’d sell to pay for them. It usually involves selling our players for ridiculously high sums and buying players who’d never come to the Toon. He’s obviously a Football Manager fan and thinks that reality works the same as the game.

    It never ceases to get a chuckle out of me though.

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  • #boycott Arsenal

    Jul 20, 2019 at 8:21 PM

    Comment #164

    HWA,
    Club shops turning a profit in Eldon square and The Metro centre now closed and all merchandise funnelled through SD, siphoned. Breaking world transfer records and building modern stadia before the TV money was anywhere near what it is now, we now claim that we can’t compete with Soton and Swansea, where is the money going?

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  • Hail Wor Ashley

    Jul 20, 2019 at 8:22 PM

    Comment #165

    Optimistic

    Think Almiron will effectively be one of the two up front. He and Joelinton together will frighten many defences in behind and be perfect for the counter especially having lots of players behind them capable of picking out the passes.

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  • Sports Direct FC

    Jul 20, 2019 at 8:24 PM

    Comment #166

    Having time to think about it…MA was never going to keep Rafa on. Rafa was loved by the fans (sorry not you catchy) and brought the city, players and fans together. MA realized the fans would never turn on Rafa and all their attention was on him. With the great Steve Bruce in charge the fans will turn on him as soon as SD FC start losing drawing all the attention away from MA and goons.

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  • ChicoUSA

    Jul 20, 2019 at 8:25 PM

    Comment #167

    NY Mag
    One would hope the EPL, HMRC or other auditors would have uncovered inconsistencies or accounting shenanigans if they are there. Depends on how deep the auditors look. Do they follow through payments made to entities like the company that provides food and beverage services as an example? Who owns that company? Are the amounts paid in line with what other clubs pay to their outsourced service companies?? Are other expenses the club pay in line with what similar size clubs pay, etc.

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  • Pottsclock

    Jul 20, 2019 at 8:26 PM

    Comment #168

    Every business with revenue over a certain size needs their accounts independently audited, including NUFC who do have them audited. No self-respecting accountancy firm is going to sign off accounts where they see dodgy practice.
    We all hate how Ashley has run the club, but imagining things that are not proven does not help the cause against him. There’s enough fact already against him so let’s stick to that.

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  • Sports Direct FC

    Jul 20, 2019 at 8:28 PM

    Comment #169

    Potts

    So one simple question, where is the money. Do you believe that SD FC operate on an annual profit of .55%?

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  • #boycott Arsenal

    Jul 20, 2019 at 8:29 PM

    Comment #170

    Ashley wanted 350M and paid himself back 33M which could have built two training grounds, yet he still wants 350M. Where’s the money going.

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  • Hail Wor Ashley

    Jul 20, 2019 at 8:30 PM

    Comment #171

    Jail

    You well know the club was leveraged up to its eyeballs by Shepherd and Hall. Then Ashley hastily bungled into buying us without doing his due diligence to find he’d bought a club with near £100m debt.

    It’s your job to prove it’s gone somewhere other than where the the accounts say it has. I’m not making the claim otherwise. Burden of proof is on you.

    Also you do realise expenditure has risen along with the bumper incoming Sky TV deals? Y’know, same reason why a Freddo is no longer 10p. It’s called inflation. Glad to help get you started on your voyage of discovery into financial affairs, Father Dougal.

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  • #boycott Arsenal

    Jul 20, 2019 at 8:31 PM

    Comment #172

    Pottsclock,
    I don’t think the accounts are dodgy, I do think he’s got the best accountants in the land clever enough to split us up in to 30+ different companies making it nigh on impossible for anyone but another top, top accountancy firm to figure out how much this leech is actually taking from the club.

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  • NY Mag

    Jul 20, 2019 at 8:32 PM

    Comment #173

    Chico,

    All very good questions….to which I don’t know the answers

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  • Toon222

    Jul 20, 2019 at 8:33 PM

    Comment #174

    Investintoonyouth

    U sure on not mikeashleyisamackem, he talked about this same scenario on monday, why do u mention this, do u kno something??
    I could accept this cos at least he isnt the majority shareholder and could make all the decisions and unless the other shareholder was satin himself i cant c any1 else bar donald trump being as big a twat as ashley

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  • Hail Wor Ashley

    Jul 20, 2019 at 8:34 PM

    Comment #175

    We don’t know he still wants £350m. Guessing journos don’t possess that insight and the takeover talk was entirely of their fabrication. £33m wouldn’t get you one top tier training ground.

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  • Jib

    Jul 20, 2019 at 8:36 PM

    Comment #176

    NY you are probably the only one who will have the foggiest about this

    https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1151823383711162368

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  • Sports Direct FC

    Jul 20, 2019 at 8:36 PM

    Comment #177

    Where have the accountants said it went? Hey if every penny the club generates in profit is reinvested back into the club, then the club has only generated 35 million in profit since 2010. or 3.889 million a year average or an average of .55% profit per year. So I would think who would actually believe that an EPL club only generates .55% profit annually.

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  • Pottsclock

    Jul 20, 2019 at 8:37 PM

    Comment #178

    Anyone can look at the summary accounts to see where the money is going. I’ve done it and I’m not going to explain to others how to read them – there’s plenty articles that do explain it. Just Google it

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  • Sports Direct FC

    Jul 20, 2019 at 8:39 PM

    Comment #179

    So which is it? Is MA sucking the club dry or has the club only averaged .55% profit since 2010?

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  • ChicoUSA

    Jul 20, 2019 at 8:41 PM

    Comment #181

    NY Mag,
    No worries. But corporate corruption is a fact of life. Just read some of The NY Times articles detailing how the “orange haired one” has defrauded banks, etc. I put Ashley in that class of criminal! 😛

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  • NY Mag

    Jul 20, 2019 at 8:43 PM

    Comment #182

    Jib,

    I have an almost identical spreadsheet to that kieren fellow, I have mine going back to 2005 (so I can get a comparison of before Ashley’s tenure)

    Numbers look correct (based on the accounts)
    But as we’ve just been discussing, it depends on whether you believe them or not (this guy obviously does)

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  • Wimbletoon

    Jul 20, 2019 at 8:45 PM

    Comment #183

    *Sigh*

    I thought this was all very obvious (what I’m about to say being obvious, not the state of NUFCs accounts)

    Unlike almost every other EPL club (probably every other), we aren’t run on the basis of maximising the potential of our club.

    We are run on the basis of maximising the benefit for SD and MA.

    We know SD haven’t and don’t pay the going rate for the level of advertising they receive from their NUFC association.

    It’s been mentioned on here and I’d very well believe it, that MA owns all manner of sub-contractors who provide services to NUFC and NUFC will no doubt be paying top dollar (or more) to these sub-contractors.

    We know that SD receive most (all?) revenues from club merchandise sales.

    Of course he’s not fiddling the books and doing something underhand to hide money being syphoned out. That would be bloody stupid and would risk him losing everything and ending up in prison.

    He’s clearly not going to submit anything more than the bare minimum in terms of summary accounts, so as someone else pointed out (I think it was Chico?), we can’t delve into the public accounts to find any of this out.

    But as Jail mentioned (and Toon22 does repeatedly), and as the above corroborates, we aren’t punching our weight given the money we’re receiving and what we SHOULD be earning if the club was focused on being the best it could be, and should otherwise be able to match the likes of Bournemouth etc in terms of spending and club improvements too.

    Surely that’s all obvious to all of us already, so no need to be discussing IF or HOW MA is syphoning money out – he’s not (in an illegal way), he’s simply doing it all legally, just unethically from the perspective of how he should be acting on the basis of being the custodian of an EPL football club, which means so much to the community and there should be rules against how he treats the club (and hopefully one day there will be).

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  • NY Mag

    Jul 20, 2019 at 8:46 PM

    Comment #184

    Chico,

    I’m not sure he’s quite as bad as el presidente
    (But, point taken) 😀

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  • #boycott Arsenal

    Jul 20, 2019 at 8:47 PM

    Comment #185

    HWA,
    In trying to make me look stupid you are making an ass of your self, yes inflation, a 100K was worth a lot more twenty years ago than now but we still managed to pay Alan Shearer that without the colossal TV money, relying on commercial revenue and gate receipts, why can’t we afford to pay that now?

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  • Just a fan

    Jul 20, 2019 at 8:48 PM

    Comment #186

    For finance I go to NY mag
    For information I got to jib
    For selling club I go to Dubai Mick
    For multiples I got to Mr tuff lol
    For shit apologies I like you I go to toon 22

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  • Sports Direct FC

    Jul 20, 2019 at 8:54 PM

    Comment #187

    Wimbletoon

    Nice post. MA is without a doubt taking money…legal or not? I have no idea. But its amazing what a few good lawyers and accountants can shift, move, and change with ease. Its happens all the time in the corporate world. Add in all the parts the companies have been broken up into and gets even easier.

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  • Hail Wor Ashley

    Jul 20, 2019 at 8:56 PM

    Comment #188

    Exactly Potts.

    The amount of people and organisations needed to be in on it makes it totally implausible, coupled with the public accounts not flagging up anything.

    Jail

    On the SD merchandise point. That’s not siphoning, I mean you know about it, it’s a transparent restructuring that is legal. However, that is the kind of thing that is a valid criticism. Our commercial income hasn’t grown a smidge in 12 years because of such moves and damage to brand brought about by relegations because of mistakes in hiring key personnel such as McClaren. That relegation couldn’t have happened at a worse time. We’re essentially finally back in that position now, had we not got relegated that season we would have had money to buiild year on year since as the club was in similar health to now, generating decent profit which was set to get another bump with the increase from TV the next season.

    We paid Shearer about £50-60k initially and I think the most he was ever on was £75k and he was a special case. As previously explained, we were racking up debt, at least in the post SBR era because we were still spending and not reaching the heights of before. The investment reaped rewards for a golden period for sure, but you’re ignoring the other side of it.

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  • Sports Direct FC

    Jul 20, 2019 at 8:58 PM

    Comment #189

    Hail

    So you believe the club has only generated 35 million in profit since 2010?

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  • Roger

    Jul 21, 2019 at 3:41 PM

    Comment #190

    All things you write are shit. Only no visitors in the park are the right way to stop this bastard Ashley. No money, no interest in the club. Against Arsenal only Arsenal fans and all things will go their way. In germany we say Hau weg den Scheiss. And this is true.

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