The Chronicle published an article this morning about the change in the transfer policy this summer back to the one the club adhered to in the past.
The club is returning to the policy of signing players to long contracts while paying the entire fee upfront. There had been speculation that the Joelinton fee would be paid in installments however, the Chronicle says that both the Joelinton and Allan Saint-Maximin fees have been paid in full.
Both players have also been signed on 6-year deals. This is a return to a policy that the hierarchy feels represents the best value and shows a commitment to the club.
Steve Bruce with Joelinton– big opportunity for both this season
This policy works very well when the players turn out to be quality first-teamers but has had mixed results at times. We can look at two transfers in January of 2016 to see an example of the policy working and also not working.
That winter both Jonjo Shelvey and Henri Saivet joined the club on five and a half year deals. Jonjo Shelvey has become a first-team regular and the contract has benefitted the club at least in terms of length.
However, for Henry Saivet the long contract has caused problems for the club as he has seen little first-team action and spent the majority of the past three years on loan. He still has two years remaining on his deal.
The Chronicle report that Rafa Benitez did not like this policy and under him we saw players join on shorter deals though many still did sign for at least five years.
One player that joined on only a three-year deal is Fabian Schar and after just one year the club now will need to work on a new contract for the star defender.
Both visions seem to have their positives and negatives. The key is getting the transfer target right at a high percentage.
We are thrilled with the two permanent signings this summer as well as the loan deal for Jetro Willems. Hopefully, these three players can settle in quickly and have bright futures with the club.
There will also have to be some outgoings as the squad is over the 25 player limit at the moment so we expect to seem some movement on that front over the next few days as well as hopefully a few more players in.
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52 comments so far
IrishRob
Aug 3, 2019 at 12:57 PM
Comment #1In the words of Tina Turner, “Simply the best”
ronaldo aarons
Aug 3, 2019 at 12:57 PM
Comment #2Hail Ronaldo!
ronaldo aarons
Aug 3, 2019 at 12:57 PM
Comment #3Nooo!
I’m off to do harakiri.
IrishRob
Aug 3, 2019 at 12:58 PM
Comment #4“Better than all the rest”
Essex Geordie Bill
Aug 3, 2019 at 12:58 PM
Comment #5Aah Neil, you should have left the new thread to wait a while longer to let people people stew a bit and validate my theory.
IrishRob
Aug 3, 2019 at 12:58 PM
Comment #6“Better than Aaaannnyone”
IrishRob
Aug 3, 2019 at 12:59 PM
Comment #7“Anyone I evvvverrr met”
Ron Knee
Aug 3, 2019 at 1:00 PM
Comment #8The link:
https://www.asse.fr/fr/actualites/assefr-diffusera-nufcasse-en-live-video-ac26368
Essex Geordie Bill
Aug 3, 2019 at 1:01 PM
Comment #9IrishRob
Still wondering why you had a dig at me some days ago, how have I upset you?
Mad Frog Boom 22
Aug 3, 2019 at 1:02 PM
Comment #10They need time…
Essex Geordie Bill
Aug 3, 2019 at 1:02 PM
Comment #11Ron cheers mate. 🙂
Essex Geordie Bill
Aug 3, 2019 at 1:04 PM
Comment #12Hopefully it works! 🙂
Ron Knee
Aug 3, 2019 at 1:07 PM
Comment #13That’s another story, Bill.
Bills Son Is Back
Aug 3, 2019 at 1:08 PM
Comment #14I wrote posted below on the last thread before I read this one.
Looks like I was right.
Repost;
This feeder club makes me laugh.
Signing players on 5/6 year contracts is a huge gamble that has backfired badly in the past.
So, why has Ashley stuck to that policy on young players?
Because he has seen players from other Prem clubs have one good season on a 3 year deal, attract the interest of big clubs and then be held to ransom by the player and his agent saying they want away and won’t sign another contract with just two years left to go or less.
With a 6 year deal that doesn’t happen.
The club now have total control of any transfer situation and can either a) turn down offers flat or b) if the player insists on going demand a high fee or tell the potential buyer to go forth and multiply.
EVERY CLUB IN THE WORLD, bar possibly Real Madrid, Barcelona, City and PSG, are ‘feeder clubs’ to one degree or another simply because the best players, rightly, want to better themselves, win trophies and earn the wages that can’t be earned at the clubs they are with.
A 6 year deal is basically saying to a player…
We really rate you…
We think you are going to get better…
We want to keep you for the long term…
But…
If a big club comes calling soon… if you want to go…
It will be on our terms… not you and your agents.
And, if we decide you aren’t going… you ain’t.
6 year deals are a gamble, but the BEST WAY of NOT being a sucker punch feeder club.
jane
Aug 3, 2019 at 1:09 PM
Comment #15Sunderland’s summer signings..
George Dobson [Walsall – Sunderland] Undisclosed
Marc McNulty [Reading – Sunderland] Loan
Jordan Willis [Coventry – Sunderland] Free
Lee Burge [Coventry – Sunderland] Free
Conor McLaughlin [Milwall – Sunderland] Free
notable outgoings..
George Honeyman [Sunderland – Hull] Undisclosed
Bryan Oviedo [Sunderland – FC Copenhagen] Free
Donald Love [Sunderland – Shrewsbury] Free
Lamine Kone [Sunderland – Strasbourg] Undisclosed
Lee Cattermole – without club
Lindisfarne
Aug 3, 2019 at 1:10 PM
Comment #16Ciaran Kelly@CiaranKelly
Steve Bruce in programme notes: ‘It may be a friendly match, but today will be a special occasion for me as I stand on the touchline for the first time at St James’ Park as the head coach of the team I’ve supported my whole life. I will be living the dream as I do so.’ #nufc
toon22
Aug 3, 2019 at 1:11 PM
Comment #17Bills
Defending Jabba again
#BoycottAshley ( OP)
Aug 3, 2019 at 1:13 PM
Comment #18£56.7m spent
£32 08m received.
Bills Son Is Back
Aug 3, 2019 at 1:14 PM
Comment #19frog,
Yep, I am on that point, because I agree with it.
Stuff I haven’t and don’t agree with.
But, unlike you and your Jabba hating ilk I can rationalise and see the wood from the trees.
Touche.
HWTL.
toon22
Aug 3, 2019 at 1:14 PM
Comment #20There’s about 100 million left
#BoycottAshley ( OP)
Aug 3, 2019 at 1:14 PM
Comment #21Just trying to work out if theres more money to spend on signings
toon22
Aug 3, 2019 at 1:15 PM
Comment #22Bills
It’s never Jabbas fault
Essex Geordie Bill
Aug 3, 2019 at 1:15 PM
Comment #23If Saivet gets a chance eh will (positive comment) prove he is good enough for us. imo
Essex Geordie Bill
Aug 3, 2019 at 1:16 PM
Comment #24‘he will’
toon22
Aug 3, 2019 at 1:17 PM
Comment #25Jabba has been a disaster for our club
Bills seems not to mind
Bills Son Is Back
Aug 3, 2019 at 1:17 PM
Comment #26frog,
It’s really killing you this spending isn’t it.
Doesn’t fit your Jabba forecasts.
And, he’s paid upfront.
Which Monday is he getting nicked?
Last one, next on, or the one after next?
#BoycottAshley ( OP)
Aug 3, 2019 at 1:19 PM
Comment #27Problem with 6 yr deals is if they dont cut it you’ve got a player on a hefty wage you cant shift.
We’ve stock piled shit players we can’t shift already, no doubt Wearside Jack is getting a contract extension.
Not a fan of long deals with Nufc
Essex Geordie Bill
Aug 3, 2019 at 1:19 PM
Comment #28Bills son
I posted this on the precious thread after your comment and immediately you had a response as I predicted! 😉
Bills Son
That does make a lot of sense, stand back as the naysayers disagree!
toon22
Aug 3, 2019 at 1:20 PM
Comment #29Bills
What spending?
We’re about 100 million short just this year from the tv money alone
toon22
Aug 3, 2019 at 1:21 PM
Comment #30Long deals keeps the selling price high
If the player turns out to be a Colback it’s the club that pays
Not Jabba
He can’t lose
Our Toon
Aug 3, 2019 at 1:21 PM
Comment #31Jail
Yep just take a few days out of beating the same drum I do and try to at least have a little optimism before reality strikes under bruce.
Rafa didn’t want joelinton as he apparently thought he was overvalued, yes he didn’t want jetro either but that lad has come in on loan, you make it sound like rafa never made any mistakes. We wouldn’t get jetro on loan if rafa hadn’t of messed up by signing Lazaar has that thought crossed your mind?
I’m happy we are at least trying to give bruce good players and if he fails then it’ll be down to his management simple as that. Every signing is a risk but I’d rather sign these lads on a 6 year deal then to have em here on a 3 year deal.
Jib
Aug 3, 2019 at 1:21 PM
Comment #32#BoycottAshley ( OP)
Not a fan of Nufc
toon22
Aug 3, 2019 at 1:23 PM
Comment #33LoL JIB
Never even been to the toon
Hahahahaha
toon22
Aug 3, 2019 at 1:24 PM
Comment #34Lots of minority views about the toon again
Best not protest
Jabba has spent anything like what the clubs got
Sit back and take any12 years
Our Toon
Aug 3, 2019 at 1:25 PM
Comment #35Will schar stay considering hes got 2 years left on his deal or will he run it down and go as a free agent somewhere else?
That’s the problem with 3 year deal or shorter deals. If sold next season schar will go for a fraction of what we could have got for him as he will only have 1 year left on his contract.
So signing someone up for 6 years and then being deadwood isnt an issue if you sell 1 or 2 that become success for mega money, it more than covers the cost of keeping the deadwood on the books.
It’s a risk but it’s a sensible business move
ronaldo aarons
Aug 3, 2019 at 1:27 PM
Comment #36Hope willems scores a hatful.
#Jetro’sOnFire
IrishRob
Aug 3, 2019 at 1:27 PM
Comment #37EGB…. I just say what I see bro!
toon22
Aug 3, 2019 at 1:28 PM
Comment #38It is for Jabba
He makes money or we pick up the bill
No brainer
IrishRob
Aug 3, 2019 at 1:29 PM
Comment #39Actually I could be getting you mixed up with somone else it could all be a mistake. What did I say also??
Bills Son Is Back
Aug 3, 2019 at 1:29 PM
Comment #406 year deals are a gamble.
But so are 3 year deals.
Schar has less than 2 years to go.
If a club comes in and offers £30M+ and Schar says he wants to go and refuses to sign an extended contract, what does the club do?
By January the club’s hand is weakened further and other clubs now know that effectively he is available.
If that situation actually happened I wouldn’t sell now, but I’d have a replacement lined up for the first day of the Jan window and then sell Schar to the highest bidder.
Unfortunately, football now is not a game.
It IS business.
And that scenario above shows exactly that.