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Two Games In And Newcastle’s Gambles Have Not Paid Off


Joelinton had a tough outing yesterday; however, it is still far too early to render judgment on the Brazilian. He comes with a very high price tag at £40m, but he is only two games into his Newcastle career.

His touch was, at times, poor, and he did not do enough in his hold-up play to allow other players to get forward. However, these are the types of performances you will see at times from young players adapting to the Premier League.

It will take time for Joelinton to adjust. The problem Newcastle are facing is that due to poor planning this summer, they don’t have the luxury of a bedding-in period for Joelinton.

Joelinton was being relied upon to hit the ground running. That has not happened in the opening two games. In all fairness, it never should have been expected.

Joelinton was forced off yesterday after suffering a knock in a collision with Grant Hanley. Now, some worrying signals are coming from manager Steve Bruce about the striker.

This is what Bruce has said about Joelinton’s injury.

“We don’t know (how serious it is) until he has scans or X-rays.

“He’s very sore in the dressing room at the moment.

“We’re a bit light in that department with the injuries we’ve picked up in that department.

“We just have to see. Hopefully, it’s not too bad.”

With Andy Carroll and Dwight Gayle out until at least mid-September, Newcastle have few options in attack. We would expect Allan Saint-Maximin to be available for Tottenham, but he is not a natural striker.

This would leave Yoshinori Muto as a likely replacement if Joelinton can not make the match against Spurs. Muto too is still adapting to the Premier League as he only has 5 starts in the Premier League for Newcastle.

Newcastle have tempted fate by entering this season without a proven goalscorer who can stay fit. They can do nothing about it now until January if this gamble fails.

They are relying on players like Joelinton, Miguel Almiron, Allan Saint-Maximin, and Yoshinori Muto to adapt quickly to the Premier League and score goals. If that happens then fine, the gamble pays off.

If not, they must then rely upon Andy Carroll or Dwight Gayle to come in and provide goals. Andy Carroll, due to his fitness history, should never have to be relied upon to get the goals needed to stay up.

Dwight Gayle, similarly, has a questionable injury history but also has never proven to be able to score consistently in the Premier League either.

Still, we are only two games in and whether these gambles will ultimately pay off remains to be seen. However, not many clubs would even consider taking the risks that Newcastle have this summer.


151 comments so far

  • IrishRob

    Aug 18, 2019 at 11:12 AM

    Comment #1

    First!!

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  • Ron Knee

    Aug 18, 2019 at 11:17 AM

    Comment #2

    It’s a bit academic about any contribution from Gayle. We’ve no idea when he’ll be fit.

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  • Mad Frog Boom 22

    Aug 18, 2019 at 11:18 AM

    Comment #3

    I think our position between 17-20

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  • Mad Frog Boom 22

    Aug 18, 2019 at 11:18 AM

    Comment #4

    We have a really little chance to be first

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  • Mad Frog Boom 22

    Aug 18, 2019 at 11:19 AM

    Comment #5

    Toon 22 – 0 Tottenham

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  • IrishRob

    Aug 18, 2019 at 11:22 AM

    Comment #6

    Ron dont worry ive heard that tomorrow morning the janitor is gonna give Bruce some tactical advice for the Spurs match, wd should be fine, I expect a win now that somone with a footballing brain is coming on board.

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  • Toon222

    Aug 18, 2019 at 11:23 AM

    Comment #7

    We played at our best last season in a 442 with hayden and longstaff in center midfield, shelvey is a lazy twat, and hes a liability, hes a red card waiting to happen every game, to play a 442 lascelles must b dropped too, hes far too slow, fernandes in with shar, cant c bruce get too many points b4 christmas, its funny how good its making rafa look now, we can laugh at scumberland all we want but id swap with them now to hav a clean slate away from fatso, wer do these young managers who play keep the ball football come from and how do we never seem to get 1, if anything this is the type of play that would bring the the buzz back to st james park but we seem 2 dig up ever dinosaur out ther, rafas style wasnt great either but it was effective and with the players we have he done absolute miracles

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  • IrishRob

    Aug 18, 2019 at 11:28 AM

    Comment #8

    Ive said at the start my prediction was we will finish 21st. We’re on course to break records and do the impossible. HWTL

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  • cockneymafiaout

    Aug 18, 2019 at 11:28 AM

    Comment #9

    @Hibbit

    I am sorry if I have offended you, you seem like a nice lad and I do not mean to cause any offence to anyone on this site.

    However, you cannot blame me surely, for voicing my opinion about something that I feel so passionately about, literally football is my life and Newcastle United is my love. And when I see these casual Newcastle fans form opinions that have been based on nothing other than what someone else has said, I get upset.

    I also have bit my tongue with calling these Newcastle fans. All I have actually said is that they are fickle, I may have said idiots which is harsh but some of the things I have heard are idiotic. “Hayden is quality” “Joelinton looks good on the ground” “Schaar is our best defender” I could go on.

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  • SPRINGY

    Aug 18, 2019 at 11:28 AM

    Comment #10

    Im not ganna jimp all owa joelinton,he was crap but so were the whole team,at least you could use the excuse thstbuts his 1st away game in a new league as some kind of justification for his performance….most of the rest of the team cant just bloody pathetic…ritchie needs to stop flapping his gums to the press and practice passing and crossing the ball, he’s actually gettin worse…will never his work rate but need more quality from him….and tbh the whole team need grow a pair realise the shit we sre in already….cant believe im saying this after 2 games,that in itself is bloody pathetic.

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  • SPRINGY

    Aug 18, 2019 at 11:32 AM

    Comment #11

    Jimp=jump
    Thstbuts=that its
    Sre=are
    Excuse the spelling,still in shock from yesterdays performance!

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  • cockneymafiaout

    Aug 18, 2019 at 11:33 AM

    Comment #12

    The reason why I call out these fans is because I remember first supporting Newcastle. We were not exactly great but all the supporters were passionate and sang and roared at games both in the stadium and in pubs.

    Now, we are just bog standard football fans who turn up and that is it, we do not really care about the football being played or the club itself at times. And who is the reason for this? Ashley. Simple.

    All you fans that go to the games, ask yourself, like really get a piece of paper and start listing the reasons why you go. Then when you have that list, see if you think those reasons are genuine emotions and thoughts for yourself. It is all well and good saying “ahh I love this football club” but turning up doesn’t prove you love anything.

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  • DAVE..TOON..9

    Aug 18, 2019 at 11:35 AM

    Comment #13

    After 2 games I’ve seen enough to say joelinton is lazy and as soft as shyte and not a premier League player I’d rather play 70 per cent Andy Carroll that coward of a player !! Our only hope is a takeover because this shower of shyte is going down !! No fight no passion no f***cking hope

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  • onmeedsun

    Aug 18, 2019 at 11:35 AM

    Comment #14

    Good article. Always a gamble relying on too many inexperienced players to get results from day 1. Well run clubs with a plan do it gradually. NUFC have exacerbated this risk by also changing the manager who knew the players capabilities and how to put them on the pitch to get results. Ashley’s gamble to not support Rafa could cost the club another relegation and £100m, not to mention the lost player values if they all crash and burn. Why would you take such a risk when you had a proven man who was making it all work. Because Ashley is a penny pincher who will not cede control, unless you are part of his ‘circle of trust’ ( meet the fockers!).
    The club will never move forward until Ashley goes and we can hopefully get new owners who truly embrace the club (like Leicester).
    However that will only happen if we stay up as Ashley will never sell at a loss from a lower league.
    We have no choice but to back Bruce and players, but there needs to be a dialogue with club as to how the fans can facilitate a sale.
    Otherwise it feel like Groundhog Day for the rest of our days!

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  • cockneymafiaout

    Aug 18, 2019 at 11:36 AM

    Comment #15

    @SPRINGY

    100% to say that Joelinton is going to be rubbish already is foolish, plenty of players have had slow starts in the league and went on to be decent Premier League players.

    Matt Ritchie is a championship player who gets by by working hard. Rafa knew how to get the best out of him as he did with all the players in this below average squad.

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  • cockneymafiaout

    Aug 18, 2019 at 11:38 AM

    Comment #16

    @DAVE TOON

    2 games…hahha this is what I mean. Fickle football fans who will change their mind if Joelinton bags a hattrick in his next game.

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  • cockneymafiaout

    Aug 18, 2019 at 11:40 AM

    Comment #17

    @onmeedsum

    So what is your suggestion? What should the fans do? What is a good enough intervention to make the fans of Newcastle United ditch their usual routine of going to home games and accepting the pitiful position we are in?

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  • IrishRob

    Aug 18, 2019 at 11:42 AM

    Comment #18

    Lacelles is definitely not slow, without the ball he can keep up with most players in the league. What he is though is slow to react which is a liability. He needs Lejeune inbtgere with him and he will play like a world class CB.

    The problem with Lejeune is, while hes our best defender hes also our slowest player by a country mile and hes going to be even slower now he has two cruciates operated on. I get the feeling hes not gonna be our defensive saviour that he once was when hes back this time.

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  • IrishRob

    Aug 18, 2019 at 11:48 AM

    Comment #19

    Shearer once said when he had his own cruciate done he lost a yard of pace, but when he got two done he lost a lot of pace. Lejeune was very slow before he ever had even one knee done, and hes been caught out for pace numerous times in the past.

    I’m really not expecting him to be the player people are expecting when hes back. I have an awful feeling hes going to be a liability against pacy teams.

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  • cockneymafiaout

    Aug 18, 2019 at 11:49 AM

    Comment #20

    @IrishRob

    You know half the battle with having a good defence is having an organised unit. Those are the same players from last season, what has changed? Oh yes, we now Steve Bruce (A former central defender I may add, a pretty good one too) instead of Rafa Benitez who understands the game of football management and how to set up players and get the best out of them.

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  • cockneymafiaout

    Aug 18, 2019 at 11:52 AM

    Comment #21

    @IrishRob

    We shouldn’t be relying on Lejeune, we missed him for a large part of last season and still looked good defensively. Bruce needs to address the problems like Rafa did when he came. People forget before Rafa came, we had one of the leakiest defences in the league.

    Slam his boring tactics all you want, he is a master at getting the best out of mediocre resources by implementing a disciplined and rigid team.

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  • Moonraker15

    Aug 18, 2019 at 11:54 AM

    Comment #22

    Cockney
    Show me another club which has 50 thousand turning up to watch a mediocre team year after year, and hasn’t won a bean for 50 years!
    There isn’t one and that’s why our fans are special and have put up with an owner with no ambition just to support the team! Our team!

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  • cockneymafiaout

    Aug 18, 2019 at 11:55 AM

    Comment #23

    Also Muto has been in Newcastle for over a year now. If he is still having trouble adapting then he shouldn’e be a professional footballer.

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  • geordie157

    Aug 18, 2019 at 11:56 AM

    Comment #24

    Come the end of Sep, I will be amazed if we are not in the bottom 3.

    We’re going to need wins vs Watford and Brighton, can’t see us getting anything from the other games.

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  • beefman13

    Aug 18, 2019 at 11:57 AM

    Comment #25

    Yes, another massive kick up the arse needed, every season same old same old, can’t be bothered at all.

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  • cockneymafiaout

    Aug 18, 2019 at 11:59 AM

    Comment #26

    @Moonraker15

    Great when you put it into words mate. I know loads of old folk that turn up to the gym for a bit natter on. But surely they are going to work out? Nope routine.

    You truly do have your rose tinted glasses on if you think every single one of those 50 thousand fans go to the games are going because they love this club and are looking forward to supporting this team.

    I look forward to every game, even when I think we’ll get thumped because that is my team. Loads go because it’s something to do, or their pal is going, or it is an excuse to go on the drink.

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  • Mag :P

    Aug 18, 2019 at 11:59 AM

    Comment #27

    I honestly can’t tell what our best team is with this squad.

    Something that was very clear when Rafa was at the helm.

    The fact that we might have to rely on Muto for a few games scares me. He did nothing when he came on.

    Clearly Bruce is trying to accommodate Shelvey into the team but it’s not working, he isn’t making enough of an impact and it’s disrupting everything Rafa taught our players. In my opinion we need to switch it back to a 5-2-3 with Longstaff and Hayden in the midfield.

    That formation was perfect for us last season.

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  • IrishRob

    Aug 18, 2019 at 11:59 AM

    Comment #28

    Dave stop talking you’re embarrassing yourself. No smart person would write off a player after 2 games lol. Sure he was bad but being isolated didn’t help him. He also looked unfit and like he was carrying a knock, but from what I’ve seen he will come good.

    Slate his performance, slate his effort even (although like I said he looked slower than usual yesterday which screams of a small injury he isn’t declaring) but dont right off a 22 year old boy after 2 games in a completely new environment, new league and new country, that’s just plain stupid.

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  • IrishRob

    Aug 18, 2019 at 12:02 PM

    Comment #29

    Cockney….. It feels like you’re having a go or something but I don’t know why because I agree with everything you just said. Did you misunderstand something I said??

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  • Moonraker15

    Aug 18, 2019 at 12:02 PM

    Comment #30

    Cockney
    Joelinton only scored 7 goals last season for Hoffenheim, wha as a club scored 70 so there’s as much chance of him scoring a hat trick as Dubravka! The mystery is why they bought him and for reputedly £40 million. If it was meant to be an investment, it’s about as successful as HoF !
    We were on the way to better things with Rafa and Ashley has blown it big time. We’re going down! My prediction of 17th was wrong I’m afraid!

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  • geordie157

    Aug 18, 2019 at 12:03 PM

    Comment #31

    I really don’t get the Kraft signing, Manquillo isn’t great but he was settled in the right wing back role and playing quite well.

    Carroll I think will play a part but I just think Kraft has taken what could have been Aarons spot in the squad.

    On yesterday’s performance, Ki shouldn’t be starting, hopefully Sean will be up to full match sharpness soon. I’d stick Matty on the bench. I really don’t get what Ki offers.

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Aug 18, 2019 at 12:06 PM

    Comment #32

    Munster,
    Before you go accusing me of lying here is your appraisal of Bruce and his new training methods. While also putting your customary dig in at Rafa.
    ” If rafa had done the same re long runs and ice baths he would have been praised endlessly”

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  • midweek weekend

    Aug 18, 2019 at 12:08 PM

    Comment #33

    I think a few other people have mentioned it but it definitely looks like losing perez and rondon is a massive blow and although it’s only two games in poor joelinton doesn’t appear to be like rondon yet and it can be argued both perez and rondon were our two best players especially since they scored the goals and the truth is if you take any teams two best players away you will make that team significantly weaker, also add into the mix we’ve lost a world class manager and it is not surprising we are struggling, I appreciate we have tried to replace rondon and perez but that’s how it works in football sometimes

    The sad truth is a player like joelinton was bought for £40 million because he’s a young talent and if he scores 20 goals this season a two seasons time Mike Ashley can sell him for double rondon would of cost us 25 million but there’s no sell on value therefore he doesn’t match the Ashley model and so joelinton was bought, we could be offered Sergio ramos for 10 million and Mike Ashley would say no too old no sell on value despite him being arguably the best cb in the world for many years unfortunately this type of thing is just one of the many problems under this regime, just like I support Bruce as he’s only managed 2 games but when we are winless after 10 games surly he must walk and when he is sacked/resigns there won’t be one surprised pundit who will all sing the whole it was always going to be hard taken over from Rafa but the truth is it wasn’t really that hard Rafa had us comfortable mid table all we had to do is hire A) another proven world class manager or B) an ambitious up and coming manager but unfortunately both options A and B require the club to want to succeed more than finishing 17th and the 3rd round of the cups we must be the only club ever were the manager would get in trouble for finishing too high in the league Europe football is bad means Mike Ashley has too invest in more players so as punishment only Anita was bought the year we fluked 5th with pardew

    We are in the brown stuff now spurs away next no points there then home to Leicester which won’t be easy then Liverpool away the panic will set in once we are bottom for a few weeks then sad part is Bruce was expected to fail and it looks like he already has joelinton needs to succed otherwise we are relegated, muto is not good enough otherwise Rafa would had used him more last season Gayle simply can’t cut it in the Premier league and carroll while a fantastic option can not and will not string 10 games in a row which is needed if he’s to relive his form back when he was previously here, we are likey to be rock bottom after 5 games what is Bruce going to do about it?

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Aug 18, 2019 at 12:08 PM

    Comment #34

    geordie157,
    Krafth was signed because he was at a WC and was only 5M,hoping to make a quick buck like they did with Debuchy and Jaanmat, they’ve got Manquillo as back up in case he did get sold quickly. Shambles. What a shame the three of them deserve a relegation what have we done to deserve this.

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  • geordie157

    Aug 18, 2019 at 12:10 PM

    Comment #35

    Mag P

    Totally agree with ‘5-2-3 with Longstaff and Hayden in the midfield’

    Saint-Maximin, Joelinton and Almiron as the 3. Just a lot depending on if they click and can score some goals.

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  • Reilly

    Aug 18, 2019 at 12:11 PM

    Comment #36

    Kris
    @Kris_Newcastle
    Just seen the cabbage driving out of the training ground in his brand spanking new Merc.
    11:35 am

    Must have been a quick training session.

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  • Moonraker15

    Aug 18, 2019 at 12:12 PM

    Comment #37

    Cockney
    What about the thousands that travel to away games long distances at great expense? Is that just “for something to do”?

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  • cockneymafiaout

    Aug 18, 2019 at 12:12 PM

    Comment #38

    @Moonraker15

    Well I tell you right now why he paid 40 million. Because somebody he trusts told him he would be worth 80 million in a few years. That is the Mike Ashley model.

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  • Moonraker15

    Aug 18, 2019 at 12:12 PM

    Comment #39

    Cockney
    By the way we usually lose as well!

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  • Moonraker15

    Aug 18, 2019 at 12:14 PM

    Comment #40

    Cockney
    Rafa didn’t rate him! I think we know now he ain’t ever gonna be worth 80 million. Ashley has a big problem taking advice!

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