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Pundit Gives Fair Assessment Of Tottenham Match


BBC Sport pundit Mark Lawrenson has given his prediction for the Newcastle at Spurs match. Unsurprisingly, he has picked Spurs to win 2-0 at home against our struggling Newcastle side.

This is what Lawro says about the match:

Tottenham are getting used to playing at home now – that usually takes a bit of time.

Meanwhile, Newcastle are still a bit all over the place. They have already lost to Norwich and Arsenal but remember, former boss Rafael Benitez had a bad start last season, and they picked things up.

Steve Bruce has made some new signings, and the fans just need to get behind the team now.

We can’t really disagree with anything the former Liverpool defender says. It’s a fair assessment of the upcoming match. However, the performance is what counts. Mark picked Newcastle to win last week at Norwich, but we were played off the pitch 3-1.

If Newcastle can put in a performance and show signs that they are starting to improve, then we would be pleased with that.

We are also curious to see how Bruce sets the team up. Will he go with a complete overhaul of the system or just make some minor adjustments?

We suppose he could be hamstrung as to what he can do if Joelinton and Allan Saint-Maximin are unavailable. However, Joelinton has resumed full training while Saint-Maximin is set to return tomorrow.

We would rather Allan not be risked for tomorrow unless he has completely recovered from his injury. Newcastle are likely to have to play very defensive on Sunday so it may be best to keep Allan fit for Wolves the following week.


122 comments so far

  • #BoycottAshley ( OP)

    Aug 22, 2019 at 10:32 PM

    Comment #1

    Is someone else doing something wrong a excuse to also do something wrong.

    First

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  • #BoycottAshley ( OP)

    Aug 22, 2019 at 10:38 PM

    Comment #2

    LG

    The funds definitely could and should have been spent better.

    It always has me wondering who is selecting these players, who’s identifying them to scout.

    It’s a bit suss our 2 main signings have the same agent, do they ring a agent and ask what’s available instead of looking for what the team needs?

    Good chatting, up at 5 so catch you later, enjoy the night.

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  • Jib

    Aug 22, 2019 at 10:40 PM

    Comment #3

    Time to get behind the boycotts and force ashley out of the club once and for all

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  • one fine day

    Aug 22, 2019 at 10:43 PM

    Comment #4

    jib has clearly been hacked

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  • toon22

    Aug 22, 2019 at 10:43 PM

    Comment #5

    Think JIBs been hacked

    LoL

    Hiya

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  • toon22

    Aug 22, 2019 at 10:43 PM

    Comment #6

    Hiya JIBs

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Aug 22, 2019 at 10:44 PM

    Comment #7

    Most scouts work closely with certain agents and agencies. Nowt sinister, just where relationships are and who you get tip offs for.

    Clearly we have our scouting network, and Nickson is now in charge of all that. How much choice Rafa had is debatable, he clearly had more influence than some of his predecessors, but not total, and certain we know were his, others we don’t know.

    This summer, all signings are clearly pre planned and not Bruce’s choices. That is difficult.

    Pardew and Carr are starting to look better all the time.

    Catch you later mate.

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  • GeordieTwo

    Aug 22, 2019 at 10:48 PM

    Comment #8

    That seems like a reasonable prediction to me. However if we play like we did against Norwich it could easily be 5-0. Beware Mr. Brucie. Your 5 games are running out…..

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  • Jib

    Aug 22, 2019 at 10:50 PM

    Comment #9

    So what if im from sunderland, ive supported nufc for over a year now, no point supporting sunderland any more when theyre in the third division

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  • Nicky the ball tosser

    Aug 22, 2019 at 10:52 PM

    Comment #10

    We have 7 attackers, all capable of playing a part, but we only play two up top, meaning 3 sat in the stands. 4 central mids in the group, and yet we play with 3 central mids, leaving only one as cover. We went into the Arsenal game with 3 central mids, and no specialist cover on the bench, and ended up with Ritchie and Almiron in there.

    352 doesn’t look the best use of the players in the group at all. 343 appears much better as a basic formation, with the players to go to 442, or 352 etc if necessary as game unfolds.

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  • GeordieTwo

    Aug 22, 2019 at 10:52 PM

    Comment #11

    Hee hee Jib. Better fight back with Jane…..

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Aug 22, 2019 at 10:53 PM

    Comment #12

    On the owner/scout/board making the decision, it is a fairly normal practice at many clubs. But there is normally an agreed standard philosphy that the club are working to. That is where we fall down.

    We sign players, decent players with no regard to style, managers ideology, or what is required.

    Our setup suits a continental manager, our signings suit a continental manager. Our MD appoints an archetypal British manager from the managerial merry go round of yester year.

    Totally counter intuitive and demonstrates the lack of understanding of the industry by the real decision makers.

    I personally don’t think Charnley is as clueless as he appears. I just think he is aware of the fact that he is not going to get a job at this level anywhere again so goes with what he is told by Bishop, Barnes and Ashley. He is merely a figurehead.

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  • GeordieTwo

    Aug 22, 2019 at 10:54 PM

    Comment #13

    Well worth thinking aboot Nicky. I’ve been thinking it’s the wrong formation for us as well.

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  • Jane

    Aug 22, 2019 at 10:57 PM

    Comment #14

    Wel if Jib is coming clean then so am i, ive supported newcastle slightly longer, ive been a fan for 3 years, who is this KK you’re on about Jib?

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  • GeordieTwo

    Aug 22, 2019 at 10:57 PM

    Comment #15

    I think you’re right Lilongwe. Bruce is just along for the ride. He doesn’t suit our players and he might get us in a world of trouble as McLaren did. I see him gone by late October but who comes in next? I don’t think we have management capable enough to pick someone who can get the job done.

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  • GeordieTwo

    Aug 22, 2019 at 10:57 PM

    Comment #16

    Oh dear Jib/Jane now look what’s happened….

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Aug 22, 2019 at 10:59 PM

    Comment #17

    Nicky,
    I’d argue a narrow ish 541, but the reality is formations are fluid throughout the transitions and phases of play. 541 can quickly become a 343 or a Johan Cruyff style 361. All depends on if you are in possession, where the ball is and how the game is poised.

    What Bruce needs to do is understand what he can coach and get across, and understand what works with the group he has.

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  • GeordieTwo

    Aug 22, 2019 at 11:01 PM

    Comment #18

    I think we could be heading for another Alan Parsnip Project. Surely not? He’s another outdated English manager. Might as well go straight to Carver and get it over with.

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  • jane

    Aug 22, 2019 at 11:02 PM

    Comment #19

    i lean more towards keeping Rafa’s system than starting over with something new.

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  • GeordieTwo

    Aug 22, 2019 at 11:03 PM

    Comment #20

    I like the good old 4-4-2. We’re too full of holes at the back right now to play 3. And 2 up front will be important. Yes the formations are fluid but the players must know their roles and when to jump into the attack. Good teams get several players into the opponents box. Even with Rafa we were having trouble with that.

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  • jane

    Aug 22, 2019 at 11:05 PM

    Comment #21

    and fitting new players into it but replacing Perez is the difficulty.

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  • Jane

    Aug 22, 2019 at 11:06 PM

    Comment #22

    Rafa was so underated, he has kept us in the prem league with championship players and now bruce is here to take these players back wer they belong, the sooner that happens the better and hopefully we stay there for a few seasonsso ashley will sell up

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Aug 22, 2019 at 11:08 PM

    Comment #23

    G2,
    I’m not sure Bruce is along for the ride, I think he knows what this is for him, and it will mean a lot to him to make a go of it.

    Managers are generally a self confident/assured bunch who are arrogant and egotistical. You see it in all of them Most of the time. Bruce has been that way in every job he has taken. I don’t see it in him at NUFC, not in any of his interviews, or in his mannerisms. He is very aware of coming in after Rafa. He is very aware of Rafa’s stature in the game, and it is giving him self doubt and making him try to replicate what he can’t and be something he isn’t.

    He needs to have that ego back and just start afresh. Until then he will look struggle to take any control or implement anything, and just like players, the longer poor results go on, the greater that self doubt becomes, and the more everyone struggles.

    I can’t believe I am saying this, but Hippo Heed has the arrogance, organisational skills and the strength of character to be the best option to turn to if Bruce goes before Xmas.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Aug 22, 2019 at 11:08 PM

    Comment #24

    Have we got a Jane imposter on our hands?

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  • Jib

    Aug 22, 2019 at 11:09 PM

    Comment #25

    Def hav 2 agree with u ther Jane, it wil show in the next few months just how underrated benitez really was

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  • Nicky the ball tosser

    Aug 22, 2019 at 11:10 PM

    Comment #26

    It’s more the way we press from the front and so as a unit that concerns me Lil’, and the isolated front two. I think that’s more where we can benefit from playing 343 as we did in the 2nd part of last term.

    St- Max and Joelinton are of course different players to Perez and Rondon so we’ll be a little different in possession, but essentially breaking at pace and getting in crosses should suit the new attackers we have. Joelinton is good in the air and Carroll certainly is, St Max is strong, direct, skillful and fast.

    Almiron is full of running and was certainly an effective member of the side last term playing a little wider on the left and between the lines. As a number 10 in a front two, his lack of goals and assists is currently stifling our chances, particularly behind an inexperienced number 9. We could do with an extra body in attack, and compressing the shape.

    It’s the relatively ineffective press from the two up top and their isolation when we win the ball back that I think is most in need of addressing

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Aug 22, 2019 at 11:12 PM

    Comment #27

    jane -with the little j and colour scheme,
    Norwich is the result of keeping part of Rafa’s set up while blending in new. Total confusion, and players being dragged all over. Heads dropping, and poor results. Saint Maximin coming in as a new Perez is going to make it worse. It has to be Muto for his extra work rate and willingness to press if we are going to stick with Rafa’s formula.

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  • Bleatin' n Bruced

    Aug 22, 2019 at 11:12 PM

    Comment #28

    We may all be arguing about something that’s already been taken care of for us.

    Ashley’s track record is now 12 long years of cynical exploitation culminating in the dog going back to eat it’s own vomit by appointing a lacklustre manager of predictable uselessness and who was a well down the line choice. I think it’s become common knowledge this is the official tomb of ambition.

    I think unless Ashley can actually demonstrate a remarkable turn about, the natural conclusion for this club is gradual failure. The disillusionment among fans is already felt by the divide of boycotters and match goers still trying to eke sense out of this place.

    The next step is natural attrition caused by lack of winning, continued expedient planning and hard to say it but relegation is an all too likely scenario. And odds are we won’t bounce back a third time. Gates will fall, TV money will fall, interest in nufc as a brand will drop, we will no longer be the cash billboard for SD.

    This is going to happen because it will be the long term effect of Ashley’s business plan. It will not be the fault of the fans though.

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  • one fine day

    Aug 22, 2019 at 11:13 PM

    Comment #29

    Bobbybee ,
    Saw your post earlier about your thoughts on international fans and those who only started following when keegan came .I could repost what you wrote but for anyone trying to scroll through it on a phone it would be a long drawn out affair dotted with the odd bit of passion in block caps and tough shit featuring a few times .
    Has it ever occurred to you how you can get it wrong on so many accounts assuming you know what these international fans know , don’t know and represent?
    ok so i dont understand what newcastle means ?
    I was born there and lived there until 21 , parents still live there.so i think i do understand.
    They started following when keegan managed them ?
    said on here plenty times (maybe in the days before you showed up with your 🙂 ) that my first game was stood in the milburn paddock against brighton in the cup watching trelford mills destroy dreams and inhaling the smell of hops and feeling every emotion under the sun in 90 mins. could go on but lets leave romance out of this .
    are they members ? why not?
    Because why would i give ashley a penny ?
    Joined the nust (christ knows why)
    And the season after the Brighton game i got a season ticket in the east stand .
    this was when it had the upper level and the benches under it .i kept the season ticket until the season we got promoted .until then i kept it and used let anyone who wanted to go have it when i was working away (some games i struggled to even give it away for free ) only reason was so when i did get home i didn’t have to worry about queuing for tickets for the all ticket games.
    for games when this wasn’t required and i could just go in the gallowgate i went every time and give me that anytime over been sat in the east stand surrounded by some right miserable buggers .
    when the corner started shouting in the seats i was often the only one stood up singing and giving it back smiling but getting the looks from those around me.seems nothing has changed on that score .
    They are gloryhunters ?
    My best memories were not the big euro nights but more like the charlton at home when we came from behind ad i saw my self on match of the day that night in the middle of the steam bath under the scoreboard.
    or the night at anfield when we got humped 4 nil in the cup but out sang the kop all night and came back up the motorway freezing because the scoucers had bricked all the coach windows in the car park.
    The year we got promoted i let a guy i knew take over my ticket (not my best decision) but i was only managing to get back for 2 games so was time to let go.(those games by the way would cost me more in flights per game that you would shell out for the season ticket )
    But your so right bobbybee …fans like me will never truly understand what YOUR club is all about eh ?

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  • jane

    Aug 22, 2019 at 11:16 PM

    Comment #30

    Matty Longstaff maybe as the new Perez.

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  • Bleatin' n Bruced

    Aug 22, 2019 at 11:18 PM

    Comment #31

    Btw Jane loved your oxymoron about the “reserved fanatics”. Classic. You are a dry stick. 🙂 I think it was just us two appreciated that. 🙂

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Aug 22, 2019 at 11:18 PM

    Comment #32

    Nicky,
    St Max has never been that player that will press and work hard on the defensive and dirty side of the game. It has to be Muto if are to play 3, in which case, it should/would have already happened.

    Almiron runs in the wrong places, I’ve said it from the off, and in possession he has struggled. He made space for Perez to be more effective, but in possession he hasn’t done a huge amount. I can only remember his strike from distance that the keeper spilled for a Perez tap in as a real threat.

    He is still adjusting, all our attackers are except Carroll, and well, unless he has suddenly becomes injury free – something he hasn’t been since before he left us – then we can’t pin hopes on him.

    I can’t see what we have fitting Rafa’s set up, and I can’t see Bruce training and schooling them to become those players.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Aug 22, 2019 at 11:21 PM

    Comment #33

    Jane,
    As good a chance to take as any right now, but risk really harming his confidence and development. A chance the club appear willing to take.

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  • Nicky the ball tosser

    Aug 22, 2019 at 11:22 PM

    Comment #34

    I think Ashley’s badly missed his chance to sell though, unless Bruce can get the team to perform like a mid table side. A club down in the relegation places isn’t at all likely to sell, and certainly not for the type of money Ashley would agree to sell us for, if such a figure even exists. The club might ostensibly be for sale, but in reality we surely must secure our place again before it becomes a remotely realistic possibility.

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  • Reilly

    Aug 22, 2019 at 11:22 PM

    Comment #35

    The scum sold to michael dell.Another club we will not be able to compete with soon.

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  • jane

    Aug 22, 2019 at 11:23 PM

    Comment #36

    just you who appreciated it cos i didn’t know fan is short for fanatic. should have used supporter!

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  • Sports Direct FC

    Aug 22, 2019 at 11:26 PM

    Comment #37

    Nicky

    Agree 100%. Clubs value goes down with every loss and no one will want to buy if relegation is a question.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Aug 22, 2019 at 11:30 PM

    Comment #38

    Tsunki,
    Did you read the True Faith piece trying to delve into the advertising and the benefits to Ashley that someone posted yesterday? An interesting read from a fanzine that still has respect amongst fans, amd is quite staunchly anti Ashley.

    I’m not saying it is 100%accurate, there are clear areas where he has to extrapolate and build of other similar companies and their results, but it was interesting none the less.

    It made the best case I’ve seen for the advertising either being a serious plus for SD, or not. In fact it is the only reasoned piece trying to draw on real world examples and figures.

    Based on that, it really does beg a serious question as to why Ashley owns the club, and what serious benefit he derives, it makes the unsupported assertion he takes large portions out through various channels more believable.

    I think if the True Faith piece is somewhere in the ball park for benefits derived from advertising, then Ashley buying the club was another of his unthought through, and baseless gambles that are now catching up with him.

    He wants a profit still, so he is setting the price high in the hope someone comes along, while draining the club for what he can while trying to maintain a value.

    Profits were £19mill last time I think someone said earlier. Rafa wanted a payrise of a third. Doesn’t fit in with the shoestring, so he gambles, without thinking it through again, and here we are. Fighting amongst ourselves and leaving him to it.

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  • toon22

    Aug 22, 2019 at 11:31 PM

    Comment #39

    Like the new JIB

    Hiya

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  • jane

    Aug 22, 2019 at 11:31 PM

    Comment #40

    “There are accounts of the word “fan” not coming from the word “fanatic.” In the very early days of baseball and up until even the 1960’s, it was proper for men to wear a coat, hat and tie while the women often wore a dress oftentimes with a hat. In the dog days of summer, the heat from wearing such clothes could become unbearable. Spectators would fan themselves so much with their programs, scorecards or actual hand fans so often players couldn’t see their faces. The players would speak amongst themselves with phrases like, “sure are a lot of fans out there today” or if there’s a bad call or a very exciting play or dramatic moment in a game, it could be common to hear a player say, “lotta noise coming from the fans today.

    However there is constant debate of the origin of the word and why spectators are called “fans.””

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_(person)

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