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The Bubble Burst At Burnley But The Players Showed Desire



Yesterday’s defeat at Burnley burst our bubble a bit. That’s the second time we’ve failed to get three wins in a row. The last time being at Aston Villa a few weeks ago.

However, those performances are not really comparable. The Aston Villa game was a poor display from the team as they’d come off the international break and were just too passive. They gave Aston Villa too much space and created far too little.

At Burnley, we aslo created far too little but the intensity was there. While Newcastle didn’t play well, they were the equal of their hosts. The game came down to a couple of missed chances and could have easily been a point earned.

For a multitude of reasons, yesterday just wasn’t our day. We had key players out through injury, and their replacements couldn’t get it going.

Christian Atsu and Sean Longstaff just couldn’t shake off their rust and it showed. Joelinton’s confidence is shot. A change of role did little to spark the Brazilian into gear.

Steve Bruce spoke about the game yesterday, and he was pleased with the effort if not the execution. This was Steve’s take on the proceedings as published in the Chronicle.

“With the injury problems we had, we’re asking people to play a little bit out of position, but we’ve huffed and puffed all day and we’ve had two wonderful chances in Andy’s (Carroll) and the one that falls to Dwight Gayle.

“When he gets that, you’re thinking we’ve equalized, but unfortunately we haven’t taken it.

“But it was never going to be easy on a horrible day, it’s the worst conditions any footballer can play in. But the resilience was there.

“They never gave up and tried manfully to get something out of the game, but unfortunately we fell short.”

We agree with Bruce’s assessment. We think that the players were up for the fight but the lack of time on the pitch affected a couple of the performances. The desire and commitment were there, but the quality was in short supply.

Who Was Newcastle's Best Player In Defeat At Burnley?

  • Javier Manquillo (34%, 257 )
  • Andy Carroll (29%, 217 )
  • Martin Dubravka (14%, 107 )
  • Federico Fernandez (6%, 43 )
  • Joelinton (4%, 31 )
  • Fabian Schar (3%, 26 )
  • Isaac Hayden (3%, 25 )
  • Paul Dummett (3%, 19 )
  • Jetro Willems (2%, 13 )
  • Sean Longstaff (1%, 9 )
  • Christian Atsu (1%, 8 )

Total Voters: 755

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39 comments so far

  • ronaldo aarons

    Dec 15, 2019 at 1:02 PM

    Comment #1

    Rotunda previous thread.
    I don’t quite understand, I never made any mention of supporting nufc or any other team. Don’t think I defended Bruce either or mentioned tickets and keegan days. Are you sure you’re responding to me?

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  • ronaldo aarons

    Dec 15, 2019 at 1:05 PM

    Comment #2

    Cyprus
    40 million yes you’d expect a player to hit the ground running but our transfer policy isn’t about buying established players it’s buying young players with potential to improve (increase in value in reality). With that comes time needed to develop, inconsistencies and gaps in their game. Asking young players to hit the ground running is unfair regardless if they cost £5m or £50m.

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  • ronaldo aarons

    Dec 15, 2019 at 1:10 PM

    Comment #3

    Geordie Tom
    Yeah I’ve been outspoken in the past about the meaningless stat that is possession. Posters used it as a stick to criticise Rafa too past few years.

    Some tactics and set up rely on having less possession, doesn’t mean that they are poor or terrible teams that are getting outplayed or dominated.

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  • Assassins Inc

    Dec 15, 2019 at 1:11 PM

    Comment #4

    Game done, Palace next, we need to get back on track with a home win, after yesterday’s game it would be good to see Jonjo and Miggy back in the team.
    You can see we missed both yesterday, didn’t think I would say that about both but Jonjo has been playing great this last four weeks and Miggy scares the living shite out of teams when he runs at them.

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  • Lindisfarne

    Dec 15, 2019 at 1:14 PM

    Comment #5

    I have yet to really catch up with yesterdays game, but did us having the greater amount of possession work in Burnleys favour?

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  • ronaldo aarons

    Dec 15, 2019 at 1:15 PM

    Comment #6

    Addition to comment 2
    Had similar issues amongst fan base with mitro and many others in the past. Players bought as young players yet expected to hit the ground running. People see the price tags and disappointing team performances and result and blame the younger players.

    Many will recall I defended mitro then too. Also defended Perez. Dummett when he was a whipping boy a few years ago and others. Never defended colback though 😀

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  • Assassins Inc

    Dec 15, 2019 at 1:21 PM

    Comment #7

    Love the stat game people play, here’s one for you, yesterday we lost to Burnley, we looked shite but we cannot win them all.

    Bradford City, Oldham Athletic and Swindon Town. Are all ex EPL teams now in League 2, who would you rather be? One of those or Newcastle United.

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  • Ron Knee

    Dec 15, 2019 at 1:26 PM

    Comment #8

    Huddersfield 19th in the Championship. What a horror.

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  • Rotonda heights

    Dec 15, 2019 at 1:31 PM

    Comment #9

    Ronaldo

    sorry, it was just a general comment.

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  • Rotonda heights

    Dec 15, 2019 at 1:35 PM

    Comment #10

    The idea of bringing youngsters in is sound but you need your wenger / rafa types to develop them, not your pardews, bruces and allardyces.

    If the fat man could only park his ego and see sense we’d be getting somewhere.

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  • Rotonda heights

    Dec 15, 2019 at 1:36 PM

    Comment #11

    Lindis

    It was just 2 desperately poor teams hoofing it

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  • Rotonda heights

    Dec 15, 2019 at 1:38 PM

    Comment #12

    Very expensive potential at 40m. Thats what they should be sold on for, not when just starting out

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  • Ketsbaia9

    Dec 15, 2019 at 1:39 PM

    Comment #13

    I’d give Joelinton another chance on the wing. Had his best game for us yesterday. We must sign Bowen and Sissoko at least in January.

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  • Jib

    Dec 15, 2019 at 1:43 PM

    Comment #14

    Decisions decisions
    Man U vs Everton
    Or
    Wolves vs Spurs

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  • jane

    Dec 15, 2019 at 1:58 PM

    Comment #15

    “Huddersfield 19th in the Championship. What a horror.”

    Danny Cowley doing a good job they were 23rd when he took over. did a great job at Lincoln.

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  • hibbit

    Dec 15, 2019 at 2:10 PM

    Comment #16

    ronaldo aarons

    i respect your opinion on most things but for £40m i’d expect a player to be able to do the basics after 3 months in any league and he’s not,i could be wrong but i just don’t rate him so far

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  • Ketsbaia9

    Dec 15, 2019 at 2:15 PM

    Comment #17

    lol wasted £40m on a poor player. Can’t run, shoot, score. Bad mistake

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  • hibbit

    Dec 15, 2019 at 2:19 PM

    Comment #18

    Lindisfarne

    we may of had more possession but we didn’t know what to do with it, we lacked of movement in all departments to give us any kind of forward out……………don’t be fooled by the stats

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  • Tonyd3b54

    Dec 15, 2019 at 3:11 PM

    Comment #19

    Thought Joel looked better. Would like to see a 442 with Carrol and Joel up front and almiron and atsu/Max on the wings. I’m still baffled that we lose Max on the left and Bruce puts our only left footed winger left on the right… Would’ve been great if we had I right footed person taking that shot in the box that atsu passed up…

    Carrol Joel
    Atsu Almiron
    Shelves Hayden
    Willems fern schar manq

    Switch Max and almiron when Max comes back so we can actually have wingers on their correct feet for crosses

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  • RobLeenio

    Dec 15, 2019 at 3:14 PM

    Comment #20

    Hibbit, having the possession but not having a clue what to do with it sounds very much like the criticism which Sheff U got after we beat them. Also when man city failed to beat us.

    Sometimes it’s hard to break down an organised defence. We’re normally the beneficiaries, yesterday we were the victims.

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  • hibbit

    Dec 15, 2019 at 3:40 PM

    Comment #21

    RobLeenio
    that’s a fair point but i have to say we were devoid of any meaningful movement and ideas
    throughout the game

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  • Essex Geordie Bill

    Dec 15, 2019 at 3:49 PM

    Comment #22

    Perhaps we’d better get Sorensen back and stick him on the bench in place of Gayle, can’t do any worse!

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  • Essex Geordie Bill

    Dec 15, 2019 at 3:51 PM

    Comment #23

    Whilst we ‘re at it replace Muto for Tom Allan, as he isn’t really getting game time and he is a winger and goal scorer.

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  • Essex Geordie Bill

    Dec 15, 2019 at 3:55 PM

    Comment #24

    I see we Adam scored again for Blackburn and Toney got another for Peterborough!

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  • Bleatin' n Bruced

    Dec 15, 2019 at 3:56 PM

    Comment #25

    Go back to Munster a thread ago @58 and you will see what utter blowholes we are dealing with here.

    When we were winning games by the skin of our teeth and uncharacteristic fortune with absolutely diabolical football where was the “fair and balanced” appraisal which would have been “ok lads I know we are winning but being f&b let’s get a grip on reality this is dire football, what is Bruce coaching into this team?” Or such like but no. What we got were stats showing what a better start it was than Rafas last season. The most recent is that Bruce has inherited a terrible team from Rafa and is forced to use it. It’s full of terrible buys which were totally responsible for ruining the team we have now etc..

    Wow. Talk about rephrasing facts to make them fit the narrative – yes we had put some dogged performances in but most of them were against the in-form teams. We had some bad days out yeah but the Cardiff one is pulled out like it was a marker for every game we had.

    Those without compromised short term memory were there when Rafa was shaping up a resilient defence over several seasons of hard drilling, and slowly accumulating an attacking intent, hampered by Ashley’s complete lack of help. We ended the season looking a tidy and actually worthwhile side to watch. We looked like something of an end product, it was in sight. This year the vast majority of us – and don’t lie because you were there – we hought this year we were going to give the top six a run possibly a cup.

    Now the reformers of the past are saying it’s lousy football because it’s Rafa’s defensive squad but when we won with it there was no mention of Rafa’s defence keeping tanks at bay and doing all the flaming scoring was there? No mention of Fernandez, dubravka etc being the wasteful stupid purchases that ruined it for everyone forever.

    Cake and eat it, boys? What a bunch of hypocrites.

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  • Bleatin' n Bruced

    Dec 15, 2019 at 4:03 PM

    Comment #26

    Ronaldo I have to agree with hibbit. I get you are protective of joelinton as a young player getting used to his game but for £40m you’d be expecting some kind of burgeoning ronaldo-esque sneak peeks as to the treats in store from him. All I’ve seen so far apart from the admittedly gift wrapped across the box pass for gayle is a bit of slack kneed jostling and a teenagers failed foray into doing his own bleached tips.

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  • Bleatin' n Bruced

    Dec 15, 2019 at 4:04 PM

    Comment #27

    I made that post above that long because I know Munsters eyelids get heavy after one paragraph. One sentence if I use words with more than two syllables.

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  • lochinvar

    Dec 15, 2019 at 4:06 PM

    Comment #28

    Too much tappy lappy talk. We should have been chasing three points yesterday against a poor team in poor form. That would have set us up well to get a win against Palace and putus put is on 28 poi ts.

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  • lochinvar

    Dec 15, 2019 at 4:08 PM

    Comment #29

    It’s the inconsistency that does your head in and causes poor keyboard skills

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  • Big Bruce Stars.

    Dec 15, 2019 at 4:14 PM

    Comment #30

    In response to the continued anger caused by my avatar of the great man, I’ve changed my name to something a little more friendly and respectful of our magnificent coach. Avatars still there though. That’s our leader in his heyday, can’t ignore the legacy. 😉

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  • Big Bruce Stars.

    Dec 15, 2019 at 4:19 PM

    Comment #31

    Steve knows sometimes you have to have games like yesterday to give you the kick up the backside you need to get your Big Bruce Stars going.

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  • Big Bruce Stars.

    Dec 15, 2019 at 4:28 PM

    Comment #32

    Lochinvar what good is it going to do us if Putus Puts is on 28 Poi ts?

    He he. Shouldn’t laugh. Glass. Stones. Houses . 😐

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  • Big Bruce Stars.

    Dec 15, 2019 at 4:28 PM

    Comment #33

    Putus Puts.

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  • Big Bruce Stars.

    Dec 15, 2019 at 4:29 PM

    Comment #34

    😀

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  • ronaldo aarons

    Dec 15, 2019 at 4:29 PM

    Comment #35

    Hibbit and tsunki
    Oh yeah I understand that. You would expect more than what he has shown so far. Being put in an isolated target man role for much of the season has not helped because he’s never been that player despite his frame suggesting he should be.

    I’m willing to give him at least a season to adjust and judge how he is in this league by next season. Price tag is irrelevant for me because it’s not his fault the club overpaid. Others will think otherwise which is fair enough. He struggled for a year before he made any meaningful impact in Germany too by the way. Took until nagelsmann to take over as manager for him to make his mark in a more attacking and pressing team.

    Maybe I’m bias because I saw quite a bit of him in Germany and I know he’s got some good qualities but the service to him has been poor.i don’t mean just chances for him to score, just general passing into him. Eg, the poor pass into him which he chased down and set up Gayle. He’s been in that position numerous times this season but nobody has slipped the ball into him.

    He was decent in the position for me yesterday. Was in and out of the game which is common for players getting to grips with the league. He did his defensive duties and got into shape so willems was never exposed. He ran ahead of Carroll a number of times but no flick on fell for him. He made a number of good runs yesterday too to stretch their back line but nobody put the ball in to him. So from watching him from a stand alone point of view, he did ok in the position yesterday and think he’ll show more in that role than upfront alone like before.

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  • Jib

    Dec 15, 2019 at 4:48 PM

    Comment #36

    I think Freddy can kiss the Arsenal job goodbye

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  • Munster Mag

    Dec 15, 2019 at 5:05 PM

    Comment #37

    I wish we could kiss tarquin goodbye, the boring muppet.

    1
  • Munster Mag

    Dec 15, 2019 at 5:17 PM

    Comment #38

    Listen tarquin you silly Sunderland advert. If you are not intelligent enough to understand reasoning, don’t bother. Maybe I shud try to write it more simply….
    -SB is no great shakes, but abusing him with your advert says all we need to know about you.
    – plenty of rafa football was pretty dull. Not a nightmare, but dull. Guys like you sucked it up, but laughed at Fat Sam, and laugh at SB. But the similarities are there.
    – SB is tracking better than people like you said he would
    -All I ever consistently said re Rafa was that a balanced analysis would allow fans to criticise and praise. The smart guys did both, you couldn’t because, well, you lack the ability to critique in a balanced way. Negative analysis was intolerable, for some reason.
    – I didn’t want Bruce but laughing at his Sunderland past is trite, immature and shows u up for what you are, a spoilt brat who won’t accept the manager until he has won you a trophy. As you have stated here.
    -To repeat, you are a spoilt brat tsunki, get a grip.

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  • DubaiMicky

    Dec 15, 2019 at 5:45 PM

    Comment #39

    Jib, here’s hoping Citeh can put another 5 past them – then we’ll be above the Arse!

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