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Bruce Refutes Notion That Survival Is A Battle Between Two Clubs

Tomorrow is another crucial day for Newcastle’s survival chances, and we’re not even playing. The club that is hot on our trail, Fulham, do play and they host basement dwellers Sheffield on Saturday afternoon.

The Cottagers have become a focus of many of Newcastle fans as they confidently march closer up the table. Our once comfortable cushion of ten points has been deflated to just six in less than a week.

It’s the word confidence that has maybe unsettled a few fans, I know it has shaken me a bit. Quite a few pundits have put Newcastle firmly in Fulham’s sights as the club to overtake. While we are closest in 17th, there’s still a fair few targets just ahead of us in the table.

But it’s the Magpies who now have the bullseye on our backs. Pundits aside, Fulham boss, and former Magpie, Scott Parker is targetting Newcastle as the closest and possibly weakest of the pack outside the relegation places.

Parker said the following after Fulham drew 1-1 against Burnley on Wednesday as he looks ahead to Sheffield on Saturday:

“It’s a massive game for us now.

“The gap was 10 points, it’s now six. It’s going in the right direction and we’re going into Saturday trying to win that game.

“Our main focus is how we perform to get results in this division but of course the main focus (is to reel in Newcastle).

“I believe we’re very competitive in this league. I feel every game we play, we can win, I honestly do.

“I feel like my team can really go and get results in this division, we’ve proven that.

“We’ve only won all three all season but we’re very hard to beat and we have got quality.”

Fulham have greatly improved since the beginning of the season, there’s no doubt about that. While they often are tough to beat, winning consistently is still an elusive animal for them. They’ve only won three matches, as Parker admits, but have drawn 10 times, including the 1-1 draw at St. James’ Park towards the beginning of our horrid winless streak.

The inability to win has severely hampered Fulham’s march up the table, which is a massive blessing for Newcastle, as the cushion has been flattened but still requires a lot of work for Fulham to overcome.

Steve Bruce recently responded to Parker’s comments. The Northern Echo has published the following statement from Bruce about the brewing battle for 17th position in the Premier League:

“I’ve always said that it’s your accumulation of points that determines what you get at the end of the season. No matter what anyone else does, you’ve got to set yourself a target of whatever that points tally may be.

“If you look at the bottom six or seven at the moment, there are two or three points separates a host of teams. We’re not alone in it.

“Fulham have obviously won (last weekend) and closed the gap a bit, but they’re still struggling to win as well. I think they’ve only won one of their last 14 games.

“It’s all to play for. We know we’re in the bottom half of the division, which means we have to get to the (safety) figure as quickly as we possibly can.

“Let’s see where we all are at the end of the season. If they’re (Fulham) confident, then let’s see where we all end up.

“Sometimes, your fixture list in terms of when you’re playing certain teams can color things a bit and help in certain situations, but you’ve just got to quietly get about your job and get the points on the board, and that’s what we’ll be trying to achieve.”

If Bruce is worried, he’s not showing it and is putting on a brave public face at the moment. He does make a few good points worth mentioning. Fulham are in a stretch of games where they must pick up not only points but really wins.

The 2-0 win at Goodison Park last weekend was massive for them and fueled their growing belief of escaping the bottom three. However, the Burnely draw could be seen as a missed opportunity, though Burnley too have improved recently.

Next up for Fulham is Sheffield tomorrow and then Crystal Palace at Selhurst Park next Sunday. After these two matches, their path gets more daunting with Liverpool, Manchester City away, and Leeds before the international break. So the next two matches are critical for Fulham to pick up more than a couple of points.

Newcastle, after getting two wins in three, took a step back at Chelsea with a 2-0 defeat, though it was not an unexpected result. On Sunday, it’s Manchester United, where any result would likely be seen as a bonus.

The current run of fixtures does favor Fulham but that will change in the next few weeks. So Bruce makes a salient point there as he does in affirming that it’s not a battle between Fulham and Newcastle for safety.

There are teams in the table just above Newcastle, who while slightly better off, are by no means out of the mire just yet. Brighton, Burnley, Crystal Palace, Southampton, and Wolves are all within five points in the table. So the five teams above are closer than the team directly behind.

This is not to say Newcastle haven’t put themselves in a dreadful position by underperforming for much of the season. That is crystal clear. This was touted as a season of progress with a top ten finish as the stated aim. It’s a step backward into a relegation fray.

However, there are still games to be played and the battle for survival is not just Cottagers chasing Magpies, at least not yet.

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126 comments so far

  • Mund

    Feb 19, 2021 at 12:28 PM

    Comment #1

    Tinman from previous

    If snap the hands off for that scenario and even if it meant like you said we would stay down for a couple of seasons.

    The main target of all us Newcastle United fans is to be rid of Ashley and it doesn’t matter if that’s in the championship or like you say league 1 as that’s the only thing that matters most is being rid of Ashley.

    I’d take league one right now if it still could be Staveley and Co who would purchase us.

    No doubt in my mind whatsoever

  • DrGloom

    Feb 19, 2021 at 12:32 PM

    Comment #2

    Mund et al: Apologies for my cynicism on the takeover – I’m just past hoping for this to actually happen

  • Mund

    Feb 19, 2021 at 12:33 PM

    Comment #3


    No need to apologise mate no need at all as it’s feelings at the end of the day and I can’t blame anyone for having enough of all this crap as I sure have mate.

  • Jamesthefirst

    Feb 19, 2021 at 12:36 PM

    Comment #4

    For those that didn’t see it, here is Jake Humphrey’s tweet, yet again standing up for NUFC. He doesn’t need to. But he always does. Despite other media pals and other fanbases attacking him for it. He still says it how we do.


  • Adamn_92

    Feb 19, 2021 at 12:39 PM

    Comment #5


    Agree with you mate, it would hurt being relegated again but if there was a guarantee of the takeover going through, I think most fans would take that. A season or two of lower league football would be a small price to pay to be rid of Ashley and have ambition and hope back again. As you say with the investment in squad and area i’m sure we’d be back in the big league and far better off than before in a season or a few.

  • Adamn_92

    Feb 19, 2021 at 12:44 PM

    Comment #6

    ‘No matter what anyone else does, you’ve got to set yourself a target of whatever that points tally may be.’

    I wonder what Bruces points target was at the start of the season, that would show how much confidence he had in the team. Wonder if that target has changed much if you were to ask him now too.

  • Carson80

    Feb 19, 2021 at 12:47 PM

    Comment #7

    Adamn hell yeah I would take relegation if that was the outcome, use that season to increase capacity at St James Park or crack on building a new stadium, sort out the academy, new training facilities, start building the foundations of our new team and then bang back in the Premier league with 2 words to say to the “Big 6” SUCK IT.

  • Northumbrian

    Feb 19, 2021 at 12:48 PM

    Comment #8

    Don’t think relegation would help a takeover, the prem and the EFL aligned their o&d test so it could be just as difficult. And if we ever did get promotion again its said the consortium would have to pass the prems o&d test.

  • Carson80

    Feb 19, 2021 at 12:52 PM

    Comment #9

    Much prefer Jake Humphries to those presenters on Sky, he actually does his research. That Dave Jones didn’t even know the answer to something Carragher asked him.

  • Adamn_92

    Feb 19, 2021 at 12:54 PM

    Comment #10


    Does that mean that every club that get’s promoted to the Prem, their owners have to go through the O+D test? I’ve never heard of that before, or would it purely be because they failed/were rejected from the prems test? Because the league claimed they never rejected it didn’t they, so if that’s the case I wonder how that would go down.

  • Carson80

    Feb 19, 2021 at 12:58 PM

    Comment #11

    Wor B forgot she was Mavis Reilly before she married Derek, not sure who that centre forward was who you mentioned, didn’t really start supporting the Toon till the 89/90 season. Micky Quinn was awesome sure he got 4 against Leicester that season in a 5-4 thriller and I’m sure we beat Leeds 5-2 as well.

  • Northumbrian

    Feb 19, 2021 at 1:03 PM

    Comment #12

    Adamn,,it was something caulkin said in a podcast and I agree I thought the same but he then explained it was because they’d applied before and in his words were rejected.

  • Tackle from behind

    Feb 19, 2021 at 1:04 PM

    Comment #13


    The EPL and EFL tests are pretty much the same – fail one and you’d fail the other and vice versa.

    It’s never come up before because no one has ever had a potential owner with such a high profile in piracy, murder, manipulation, money, power and sports washing.

    The EPL would have passed the takeover in a heartbeat if it were not for the above – because the actions of the above affected their sponsors and TV rights partners. Effectively, they couldn’t allow the wolf to enter their sheep pen.

  • Adamn_92

    Feb 19, 2021 at 1:05 PM

    Comment #14

    North, ah ok fair enough. Be interesting if it came to that then, as last i heard was that the league claimed they never officially rejected the deal, so would be hard for them to claim they have to re-take it.

  • onmeedsun

    Feb 19, 2021 at 1:06 PM

    Comment #15

    Agree. I’ve been saying this for sometime. Relegation no problem if the takeover is already done. What I couldn’t handle is takeover being dependent on staying up and Bruce takes us down and we are left with Ashley. I could never forgive them.

  • lesh

    Feb 19, 2021 at 1:06 PM

    Comment #16

    Bruce’s on a different planet to most and if Charnley and Barnes buy into his wisdom, it’s no wonder he’s not been sacked.

    Add to his deluded view on relegation, the Chron’s saying that:

    ‘Dwight Gayle’s contract discussions remain “ongoing” as the former Crystal Palace centre-forward heads towards the end of his existing deal.

    ‘Steve Bruce has hinted that he is interested in extending Gayle’s deal despite a lack of game-time in recent weeks.

    ‘With Bruce already admitting there will be very little to spend in the next transfer window losing Gayle for nothing would leave a big space in the striking department and add pressure to bring in a worthwhile replacement.’

    Extend the contract of a player that can’t get a game? Or is he thinking ahead to relegation and Gayle’s past ability to score in the EFL?

    It beggars belief.

  • Tackle from behind

    Feb 19, 2021 at 1:06 PM

    Comment #17

    Here’s the answer to our attacking dilemma.

    Get this player and we don’t need a front 2 or 3, everyone can be a defender.


  • onmeedsun

    Feb 19, 2021 at 1:08 PM

    Comment #18

    And if we do drop with Ashley still at the helm, who do you think will have the last laugh between us and the mackems? Their new man might not spend big but I’ll put my life on the fact that he’ll have more of a plan for them than Ashley does for us, and they will at some point overtake us. Another club to do it. And then what?

  • lochinvar

    Feb 19, 2021 at 1:09 PM

    Comment #19

    A cart horse with blinkers on would have better vision of what’s ahead than Bruce, Ashley or the anonymous Charmless.

    By the way where is Charnley?
    Is he on board the Mars mission rocket because he’s certainly not doing anything here on earth.

  • Jail for Ashley

    Feb 19, 2021 at 1:14 PM

    Comment #20

    Scott Parker has told the press he won’t be doing a team talk this week as Steve Bruce has just done it for him.

  • hibbit

    Feb 19, 2021 at 1:15 PM

    Comment #21

    the thought of going down and Ashley and Bruce still being in control has me petrified,

  • Carson80

    Feb 19, 2021 at 1:16 PM

    Comment #22

    I actually think we’ll get at least a point on Sunday, it’s one of those games where you expect nothing but get a shock result. Just hope he doesn’t bring Hendrick back into the team.

  • lochinvar

    Feb 19, 2021 at 1:18 PM

    Comment #23

    Now Mr. Bruce here is your final question..

    “which two clubs are involved in the relegation battle for the third relegation place in the English Premier League.

    Is it

    A. Newcastle United
    B. Newcastle United
    C. Newcastle United

    I’ll have to hurry you now”

    ” Pass”

    “After that round Mr.Bruce you have no points”

    Please sit down.

    “Next contestant please”.…. ( add name as you see fit)

  • Tackle from behind

    Feb 19, 2021 at 1:19 PM

    Comment #24

    One player we need in the team for Man U game – certain to put a shiver up their spine.

    Matty Longstaff – Devil Slayer

  • Carson80

    Feb 19, 2021 at 1:23 PM

    Comment #25

    Hibbit you had me thinking of Knaresborough saying that.

  • hibbit

    Feb 19, 2021 at 1:25 PM

    Comment #26

    Carson sorry mate not with you on that one ???

  • Not another deJong

    Feb 19, 2021 at 1:26 PM

    Comment #27

    Steve Bruce says he is going to be careful with Paul Dummett as he looks to ease the experienced defender back into the side.

    The 29-year-old made just his fourth appearance of the season against Southampton earlier this month after suffering from Achilles, thigh and hamstring injuries over the past year..

    “We’ll need his experience and know-how,” said Bruce.

    “We’re also mindful of just throwing him in there. Since Southampton he’s trained another week and the more sessions he does the better. He’s there or thereabouts.”

  • Optimistic prime

    Feb 19, 2021 at 1:31 PM

    Comment #28

    Theres not a better football presenter than Jake Humphrey!

    Guy does his research, challenges half arsed comments from half arsed pundits.

    Jake has set a bar, few will reach.

    Always interested in what he has to say, even more so when it’s us.

  • Carson80

    Feb 19, 2021 at 1:32 PM

    Comment #29

    Old Mother Shiptons petrifying cave. Sorry little things what people say sets things off in my head.

  • Novocastrian66

    Feb 19, 2021 at 1:32 PM

    Comment #30

    “I’ve always said that it’s your accumulation of points that determines what you get at the end of the season.”
    Blood hell Steve, thanks for enlightening me. I never knew that.

  • DubaiMicky

    Feb 19, 2021 at 1:32 PM

    Comment #31

    Newcastle mailbag: Bruce’s future, takeover talk (still), Darlow or Dubravka?


    By Chris Waugh Feb 18, 2021

    It is squeaky-bum time on Tyneside.

    Newcastle United are 17th in the Premier League, having won just two of their last 13 top-flight matches, while third-bottom Fulham appear to be gathering momentum. Increasingly, Newcastle’s plight is looking painfully perilous.

    Before what could be a season-defining few days, The Athletic has answered your questions on Steve Bruce’s future, relegation, the takeover, Callum Wilson, transfers and more…

    Do you think there’s a viable replacement to Bruce who can save us? — Simon C

    “Viable replacement” may mean something different to the Newcastle hierarchy to what it means to you, Simon.

    But Stephen R asked a similar question, citing Max Allegri as a dream alternative, while also accepting himself that the Italian is an “unrealistic suggestion”.

    I do not see Allegri taking charge while Mike Ashley remains. I also find it highly unlikely that Rafa Benitez would return, despite the Spaniard being out of work, given the disintegration of his relationship with the Newcastle hierarchy.

    Eddie Howe, the former Bournemouth manager, continues to be linked and, while he is clearly a talented coach, my reservation would be whether he is the “firefighter” type who could make a real difference in the short term.

    Regardless, Ashley rarely opts for the obvious options. Joe Kinnear, Alan Pardew, John Carver and Steve McClaren were all entirely left-field choices, so precedent would suggest a similar approach this time — and Graeme Jones, Bruce’s new assistant, would appear as likely a candidate as any.

    As a well-placed source told The Athletic last month, “nobody believes there is a Benitez-level manager waiting in the wings”, and that has not changed.

    On saying that, Ashley would first need to dispense with Bruce, which he seems unlikely to do until Fulham either close the gap to the bottom three further, or Newcastle slip into the relegation zone.

    Do you think the ownership is so disengaged that they can’t see all the warning signs of another potential relegation and Ashley is willing to gamble that we manage to stay up? — David M

    That has been Ashley’s apparent modus operandi pretty much since Newcastle were promoted in 2009-10 — and I cannot see it changing.

    I wrote in January about the complacency that too often sets in and I definitely believe they have been guilty of such laxity this season.

    To have allowed the situation to drift this far, the hierarchy has taken yet another gamble — despite there being a worryingly high number of parallels to 2015-16.

    Which Championship trip are you most looking forward to next year? — Graeme L

    Ha! This did bring a smile to my face Graeme. Gallows humour feels necessary right now.

    I’m pretty much looking forward to any away trip next season but, if the worst happens and Newcastle do go down, I’d pick Barnsley.

    I love Oakwell; old-fashioned, traditional and a little bit rundown, it is exactly what the EFL is all about. The noise several thousand Newcastle fans generated there in 2009-10 and 2016-17 has never left me and I long to witness such scenes again (albeit preferably in the Premier League).

    Oh, and they made a cracking homemade cottage pie last time I was there!

    What exactly is preventing a date being reported for the club’s takeover arbitration hearing? — Daniel L

    Confidentiality, essentially.

    As frustrating as that answer is, the entire process is taking place in secret and all sides are observing the Premier League’s strict guidelines.

    In terms of what arbitration is looking to achieve, Ashley’s lawyers are leading a case against the Premier League, intended to settle the key issue which saw the prospective takeover falter; is there a separation between the Public Investment Fund (PIF) and the Saudi state, and who would Newcastle’s ultimate owners be?

    Last month, there was some hope on the buying side that arbitration may be concluded by the end of February, but such timelines have slipped before and there has been no firm indication that fresh news is imminent. Equally, given the private nature of proceedings, a conclusion could also be due; it is almost impossible to know for sure.

    There has to come a point whereby we move on with or without the prospective takeover. Do you think there will ever be an official announcement if it fails? — Keriann P

    It is in the club’s best interests that such a point arrives as quickly as possible.

    There was an announcement, in July, when the takeover bid was officially withdrawn. It has never officially been resubmitted, and PIF will only do so if and when they are given strong assurances that the deal would be approved this time.

    There was, however, no official statement released when the second, political stage of the takeover proved unable to strike a breakthrough in September. But, if arbitration fails to return a positive verdict, I do expect Ashley to acknowledge that publicly, though whether the prospective buyers will, I am unsure.

    Whatever the outcome, a resolution is desperately needed. The Athletic wrote last June about how Newcastle had become a “ghost ship” club, and the situation has only worsened.

    Long-term planning and a clear direction are urgently required, be it from Ashley or new owners.

    Do you think Ashley will cut his losses and get rid if we go down? Or try to gain a third promotion? — Jack L

    On the previous two occasions, Ashley did the opposite.

    In 2016-17, for example, he invested to ensure Newcastle returned to the Premier League at the first time of asking, taking what Lee Charnley, the managing director, described as a “financial gamble” when generating an operating loss of £90.9 million.

    Over the past four years, however, Ashley has gradually tried to wean the club back towards self-sufficiency. Whether he would change approach, determined to recoup a £305 million-plus price tag for the club, is unclear.

    A third relegation may force him to finally sell up, probably for around half the price-tag, although, as previously discussed in this mailbag, Ashley is a gambler by nature and may be willing to take the risk on defying the odds to secure a third straight promotion at the first attempt.

    Which is the worse scenario: narrowly avoiding relegation but the takeover finally fails, or, we get relegated but the takeover happens? — Aaron W

    Wow, what a question.

    The club needs fresh ownership, so I think relegation with a takeover would be the lesser of two evils — even if a source close to the deal described such a scenario as a “serious pain in the arse” last month.

    If Ashley remains and Newcastle narrowly survive this year, they will only find themselves in such a precarious position again in the near future. There may be other parties interested, but nobody with the financial clout of PIF to pay it in one lump sum, so an alternative deal appears unlikely to be concluded swiftly should the takeover collapse.

    Is there anything in the Daniel Sturridge links? – Paul F

    No, I’m afraid not, Paul.

    DeAndre Yedlin may have been sold, but his place in the 25-man Premier League squad was taken by Christian Atsu.

    They could, in theory, sign Sturridge as a free agent, but it would appear pointless as he could not play.

    The Premier League does, on rare occasions, permit special dispensation to allow clubs to register new players beyond their 25-man squad but that requires exceptional circumstances — usually restricted to a goalkeeping injury crisis — and Newcastle’s current situation would not qualify for that.

    Wilson’s injury may be damaging, but they do have other forwards in Dwight Gayle, Andy Carroll and Joelinton who can replace him.

    Does the system need to change to get the most out of Gayle? Or is that an over-reaction after one poor game against a top Chelsea side? — Daryl M

    Charlie J asked a similar question about Gayle — and, undoubtedly, he did not look comfortable as one of two split forwards in the 4-1-2-1-2 formation deployed against Chelsea.

    As Alan Shearer pointed out on this week’s Pod on the Tyne, Gayle is “more comfortable” playing through the middle, running into the box and behind defenders.

    Although he was poor at Chelsea, I do think Gayle is Newcastle’s best source of goals in Wilson’s absence. For that reason, I would be tempted to tweak the system to more of a 4-2-3-1, retaining Miguel Almiron as a No 10, while fielding Allan Saint-Maximin on one side and Ryan Fraser on the other.

    That would then leave the issue of which of Joe Willock, Jonjo Shelvey or Isaac Hayden to drop, which is a question to ponder another time, but, for a team so devoid of goals, it seems inconceivable not to find a way to fit Gayle in somehow.

    Martin Dubravka is our best goalkeeper and, even though Karl Darlow has done a good job deputising, should we not be playing our best players? — Jacob J

    An interesting point, Jacob, and I do believe that, as an all-round goalkeeper, Dubravka is superior, even if Darlow has been one of Newcastle’s standout performers this season.

    But, while Darlow is arguably just as good, if not better, a shot-stopper, Dubravka is a better distributor and, crucially, is also more commanding of his box and communicative with his defence. In a team short of vocal leaders — something which Matt Ritchie, Federico Fernandez and Jamaal Lascelles’ respective absences have exacerbated — the value of having Dubravka only increases further.

    It is a big call for Bruce to make, given that Darlow is not the reason Newcastle are struggling, but it is an important question.

    How do you see Freddie Woodman’s role at the club evolving over the next few years? — Tom C

    Joe P also asked a similar question about Woodman’s future and they are well-timed because I have just interviewed the on-loan goalkeeper.

    In that piece, Woodman makes it clear he signed a long-term contract at Newcastle with the intention of challenging to be No 1.

    Obviously, Newcastle’s divisional status will have an impact upon his situation but, assuming they stay up, Woodman could potentially return to Swansea for a third season — or head elsewhere for the 2021-22 campaign — before really challenging for a starting place at St James’ Park.

    It is a difficult balancing act Newcastle face, however, given the depth they have in the goalkeeper department. The comparisons with Fraser Forster’s time at Newcastle, when he was forced to leave permanently in search of first-team football, are clear, but I believe Woodman to be a better prospect.

    What is the best ex-Newcastle XI still playing? — Mr Ian S

    Great question. I have listed one below, although names will undoubtedly be mentioned in the comments about those I have overlooked (honourable mentions to Ivan Toney and Adam Armstrong — and apologies for the bespoke Football Manager-esque formation).

    (3-3-1-3) Tim Krul; DeAndre Yedlin, Chancel Mbemba, James Tavernier; Georginio Wijnaldum, Moussa Sissoko, Mikel Merino; Hatem Ben Arfa; Luuk de Jong, Demba Ba, Salomon Rondon.

    Can you manage three reasons for Newcastle fans to be optimistic about the rest of the season? One will do… — Will B

    Of all the questions, this may be the hardest, but here I go…

    A takeover *may* still happen;
    Elliot Anderson may prove he genuinely could play a key role in the club’s future;
    Joe Willock has the potential to transform Newcastle’s midfield for the better.

  • Optimistic prime

    Feb 19, 2021 at 1:33 PM

    Comment #32


    You moonlighting?

    Day and nightshift.

  • Optimistic prime

    Feb 19, 2021 at 1:35 PM

    Comment #33

    Not much money to spend.

    Desperate for energy in midfield.

    Desperate for back up for Wilson

    Desperate for cover at RB since we gave Yedlin away.

    Now we’ll be Desperate to sign Gayle and all the others out of contract, treading water with concrete slippers.

  • stan anderson

    Feb 19, 2021 at 1:41 PM

    Comment #34

    Cabbage Heed was confident that we would reach 20 points by Xmas was he not.
    It took a wee while after Xmas.
    He is clueless and makes it up as he goes along taking us further in the brown stuff.

  • Jail for Ashley

    Feb 19, 2021 at 1:45 PM

    Comment #35

    Aye, had a monster kip at dinner time this morning so woke up early today. We’re getting sent off on Tuesday so we’re trying not to turn fully around.

  • Jail for Ashley

    Feb 19, 2021 at 1:47 PM

    Comment #36

    Cheers for the articles DMicky, much appreciated.

  • Optimistic prime

    Feb 19, 2021 at 1:47 PM

    Comment #37

    Athletic article brings up some good points.

    Dubs being the main one, as well as Darlow has done, I’d drop him now.

    We need shouters, someone to keep the defence in check an organise them.

    Dubs is way better than Darlow at this, need leaders on the pitch!

  • geordietom

    Feb 19, 2021 at 1:49 PM

    Comment #38

    thought id have my tanners worth about the takeover …

    the PL didnt fail it they stalled on it , i dont get where people are saying it failed , it was the seperation of the two that the PL wanted to get sorted , IMHO…

  • Adamn_92

    Feb 19, 2021 at 1:49 PM

    Comment #39

    stand anderson

    Found this from January where he claims he wants at least 44 points but want’s to do better than that. Yeah good luck with that one….


  • Optimistic prime

    Feb 19, 2021 at 1:51 PM

    Comment #40


    I’ve done a few nightshifts in my time, I know they can be a mare at times.

    Also done some great ones.

    Paid 16hrs a night for 3hrs on site, great times.


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